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Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reportedly reports that Julia Gillard's winning margin over Kevin Rudd in this morning's Labor leadership vote has been 73-29, coming in at t

Phillip Coorey of the Sydney Morning Herald reportedly reports that Julia Gillard’s winning margin over Kevin Rudd in this morning’s Labor leadership vote has been 73-29, coming in at the higher end of market expectations.

UPDATE: The official announcement has actually been that the margin was 71-31. Headline amended. Apologies that comments are currently off, which has been necessary to manage Crikey’s notoriously shaky bandwidth.

UPDATE 2: Ongoing apologies for the offness of the comments. Essential Research has come in at 56-44, up from 55-45 last week and 54-46 the week before. Labor’s primary vote is down a point to 32 per cent and the Coalition’s is up one to 49 per cent, with the Greens steady on 11 per cent. Further questions have 39 per cent blaming Julia Gillard for Labor’s problems against 18 per cent for Kevin Rudd, 23 per cent for others in the party and 10 per cent for the media. Reactions to the Gonski report are typically social democratic, with 61 per cent preferring more education funding to a return to a budget surplus and 68 per cent supporting the report’s recommendations as described against 13 per cent opposed.

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Player One
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[ Bob Carr would make a good minister for Foreign Affairs. ]

Showie! Get with the program! It is not about how good he would be, it is about how Julia lied!!!! Or at least confused Dennis Shamaham – which must be the same thing!!!. Or something.

Gorgeous Dunny
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3955 smithe
[Ellis is an un-reconstructed Ruddista who has had at least one excruciatingly maudlin and boring paean to Rudd published on The Drum website in the last 12 months. Fair dinkum, it read like a print version of Don Mclean’s The Day the Music Died, dedicated to The Great Man hisself.]

I was drawn to his blog by the mention here. He has turned off Rudd in a big way: likened him to that Doc Martin character on TV, and suggested that he had aspergers. But it hasn’t converted him to Gillard. Most of his other writings don’t make much sense – so the Ruddistas shouldn’t take much offense from it.

He is unreconstructed in regarding Beazley as a hero and the saviour of the Labor party. It is there that he loses me. As likeable as he may have been, I have come to the conclusion that Beazley’s leadership was a major liability for the Labor party throughout the Howard years. As is clear in the Latham Diaries, not only did he run away from the economic legacy of Hawke and Keating, he hardly developed any major policies relying instead on an evening news style point-scoring and fighting yesterday’s battles (GST).

Ironically, the very time he could have gone negative with success was in the 1998 campaign. But he chose the GST (with no alternative plan) and ignored Reith’s attack on the waterside workers with scab labor and bottom-of-the-harbor companies employing people. A simple campaign on ‘How safe is your job?’ with shots of those masked thugs and dogs, plus Howard and Reith shaking hands and backslapping would have cut through. He didn’t lose by much anyway.

If Bob really feels that way, I don’t think there’s much hope. Such a wordsmith at his best, too, but always erratic.

the spectator
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[Bob Carr would make a good minister for Foreign Affairs.]

On what basis? For starters the man is good mates with Henry Kissenger who many consider to be akin to a war criminal. secondly he left the state of NSW as a complete shambles decaying infrastructure etc.

zoomster
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I am not blaming Rudd – I am pointing out the logical consequences of assuming the story is the result of an internal leak.

IF it was, then the obvious assumption is that it came from the Rudd camp (applying the ‘who benefits’ rule).

My own opinion, for what it’s worth, based on my knowledge of the way the party works, is that the decision is purely NSW Labor’s, and they would be the first to kick and scream blue murder if there was even a hint that the PM usurped one of their few real powers.

And no Labor PM, knowing this, would go beyond merely indicating – after the event – whether the choice was acceptable to them.

the spectator
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[You contend that the Australian is making up the report that Carr answered “yes” to the question whether he was offered the FM position. Fine, lets wait for more information, we all know more will come with this ALP and the various unhappy components thereof]

Impossible as that question was never asked of Carr. he was told he would be “considered” for the position which is very different from being “offered”. But that is only a minor fact in this complete fabrication of a story by a thoroughly discredited “news” organisation ofcourse.

Player One
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[ Go and have a look at george’s latest effort.
tinyurl.com/7ape73w ]

Oooh! I like it!

May the Farce be with you!

ShowsOn
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Bob Carr would make a good minister for Foreign Affairs.

BK
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BK
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Go and have a look at george’s latest effort.
tinyurl.com/7ape73w

Thomas. Paine.
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[2. Kevin was perfectly sincere about not undermining the PM, but is unable to command the respect of his followers.]

And a myriad of other possibilities. By all means blame Rudd, it is become a standing joke as the public that this ‘it is all Rudd’s fault’ is a load of bs.

Player One
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[ All of this could only have come from the ALP….the leaking continues.

You contend that the Australian is making up the report that Carr answered “yes” to the question whether he was offered the FM position. Fine, lets wait for more information, we all know more will come with this ALP and the various unhappy components thereof ]

So the story is about “leaks” now? Not about who said what to whom? Is this the new party line now – “We can’t lay a glove on Gillard, she’s too clever – so let’s undermine her by claiming that someone is undermining her, and implying that it’s Rudd!”?

And by the way, I believe Bob Carr has denied he had been offered the FM position by Julia. Are you claiming he is also lying? After admitting that you actually know F*** all about any of it?

What’s left of your shamaham arguments now?

deblonay
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French Socialists to hit the Super Rich
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If they win the coming election(and kick out the poisoned dwarf..Sarkosy)the Socialists are planning a Suoer Tax on the SuperRich…of 75% on very high incomes
WOW How would Abbot like that tax on Palmer and Forrest and Reinhardt and the likes

The Curtin Govt did something like that during WW2

Confessions
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[Ruddenial]

😆

Great term. Thanks zoomster!

Cuppa
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smithe
Posted Thursday, March 1, 2012 at 7:19 pm

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2012/02/27/gillard-73-rudd-29/comment-page-80/#comment-1184180

[Its just good news that the media (since 4C I think) are cottoning on to the fact that you cannot take anything Gillard says at face value- look for the deception.

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You sir are a complete wangker. She’s probably one of the straightest PMs we’ve ever had, honesty wise.

Recall that during the recent leadership ructions she released all journos from any and all ethical obligations to keep her as a source mute, and invited them to ask each other whether she’d ever said a disloyal word to any of them about Rudd when he was PM. You could hear the crickets.

Then, when she invited Rudd to do the same, he effectively took the Fifth.

As for you boys Howard and Abbott, they run on lies. Not the unleaded kind, but ful-strength porkies.

Abbott admits it and Howard, well, look no further than WMD’s, Children Overboard and the AWB fiasco. That plonker used to pull his Government into the Propaganda Station every morning and fill ‘er-up with untruths for the days politicking.

And you’ve got the cheek to come along here and tell us Gillard is a liar and unfit for office?

Oh puhleeeeeeze.]

Right-Wing Projection, Smithe. Right-wingers projecting their own behavior / motives onto their opponents. It comes as instinctively to RWers as breathing.

Take, for another example, this character, who popularised the term “Juliar”…

http://www.news.com.au/national/police-baffled-by-alan-jones-claim-convoy-of-no-confidence-trucks-stopped-at-act-border/story-e6frfkvr-1226119691411

poroti
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imacca

[Wow. Must be something in the water in N.Z.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/winston-peters-ejected-from-parliament/story-fn3dxity-1226286530586

Mr Peters is the first MP to be kicked out of the debating chamber this term.

How many have been chucked out of ours in the last week??]
That and the speaker takes no shit from anyone. Last year he turfed a cabinet minister for not stopping speaking immediately the speaker stood up. He said in wtte tough titties if he did not see him stand up, dems da rules.

Utopia
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[Got wind of what exactly?]

How did the media find out Gillard had spoken to Carr?

How did the media find out Carr had been offered the FM position (whoever made the offer)?

All of this could only have come from the ALP….the leaking continues.

You contend that the Australian is making up the report that Carr answered “yes” to the question whether he was offered the FM position. Fine, lets wait for more information, we all know more will come with this ALP and the various unhappy components thereof

zoomster
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So the Ruddialists are saying that the real point of the ‘Carr Affair’ is that someone in caucus leaked.

In other words, either:

1. Kevin and his followers were lying when they said they would unite behind Gillard, and are treacherously undermining the elected leader of their party contrary to their public utterances;

OR

2. Kevin was perfectly sincere about not undermining the PM, but is unable to command the respect of his followers.

Given those two options, I really think, if I were in Ruddenial, I’d be blaming the media.

Rex Douglas
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Lying – we’ve all done, to a certain degree, so who are we to throw stones

Who cares if Howard lied, or didn’t lie – who cares if Gillard lied, or didn’t lie – no big deal to me – media propaganda tool

For politicians, it’s what they’ve achieved – it’s the reform they’ve implemented that counts – the big picture

WeWantPaul
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Smithe @ 4020

I wish it was that narrow. It is so deeply entrenched people who would normally try to stay neutral (say because their job description includes influencing govt) are openly mocking the govt.

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