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Morgan face-to-face: 52-48 to Coalition

Last weekend's Morgan face-to-face survey echoed other polls conducted at the time in showing little change on earlier polli

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Last weekend’s Morgan face-to-face survey echoed other polls conducted at the time in showing little change on earlier polling despite Labor’s leadership turmoil, though as always it failed to echo other polls in having Labor’s primary vote several points higher. In this case Labor’s primary vote was up half a point on the previous week to 37.5 per cent, with the Coalition also up a point to 42.5 per cent and the Greens down 3.5 per cent from an anomalous 14.5 per cent last time. As usual with Morgan (though not Nielsen), there was a substantial difference between the two-party preferred results as derived by respondent allocation (52-48 to the Coalition) and using preference flows from the previous election (50-50).

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ShiftyPhil
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The humans have moved to the new thread.

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

Hmm, I am the only one here. Are we sliding back through the wormhole?

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

If this is the politics of envy and class warfare, so be it, bring it on. If these people choose to use their wealth to disadvantage the community and further their own political agendas, let the battle begin. They lost me when they got on that flat-bed truck.

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

It is not correct to describe these people are rich, they are rich and disgusting.

don
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davidwh@2699: [If these people have rorted the tax system the ATO has powerful methods to investigate and prosecute. If the tax laws have loopholes that these people take advantage of the the government has the power to change the laws. If Swan thinks people shouldn’t be able to accumulate obscene amounts of wealth then he needs to clearly set out what changes need to be made to prevent the accumulation of obscene wealth. ] David, I don’t know about Swan, but I object to people with obscene wealth running advertising campaigns using their millions in an attempt to stop the… Read more »
Yesiree Bob
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From Dessert Fox some pages back Wayne Swan is a national embarrassment. No sooner does he bag Clive Palmer then Palmer is endorsed by ordinary Australians as a national living treasure! How out of touch the federal government is! Why shouldn’t ordinary Ausralians have a say in who is a national living treasure? I new a person who was a “National Treasure”. He was married to my Great Aunt (does that make him my “Great Uncle” ?) Speaking personally (and knowing why the person I knew was a “National Treasure”) I think its a discrace that Palmer was awarded this… Read more »
Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

So, what is the correct way to pronounce ‘gymnasium’ and ‘hyperbole”?
Hyperbole I always thought was high-per-bowl and gymnasium as jim-nayz- eeum.

Dan Gulberry
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New post at The Daily Derp:

Voters Don’t Like LNP On Any Of The Issues

It’d be nice if this one went viral, so Tweeters, Facebookers, all users of social media, do your thang 😀

Send it members of the Government, media and everyone else you can think of.

Lord Barry Bonkton
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Centre ??? Why are you sledging the monkey’s at Toronga Park ? Their IQ is much higher than the average Coal-ition member

OzPol Tragic
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[At least we Libs know how to pronounce hyperbowl] Perhaps; but as some of Abbott’s biggest fans are bogans from the backblocks, a prudent person would say “some Libs”. Additionally, since the PM is most likely to have encountered the use of hyperbole where most of us did – in secondary school – I assume none of her English teachers could pronounce it correctly, or, if they could and were doing their job, should have corrected her mispronunciation; so it’s her teachers fault! I bet they weren’t all non-Lib voters! BTW, few Australians (inc Libs) pronounce ‘gymnasium’ correctly, even fewer… Read more »
Bushfire Bill
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The real problem with the billionaires is their readiness to set up astroturfing operations, claiming they are groundswells of people power, when in fact they are finely targeted, undemocratic, front organizations designed to appear as if they spontaneously just arose from nowhere. Clive Palmer’s new Soccer outfit would be a case in point. It was ready to go, with its own logo and two of Palmer’s nephews as as executive directors. The Consumers & Taxpayers’ Association is another example: three people run it as a private organization, yet it is depicted as a major public institution. We don’t know who… Read more »
mexicanbeemer
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Wayne Swan is not attacking the rich.

I personally have no issue with people having money on the grounds that they or their family have actually earn it.

All Wayne Swan is doing it the super rich like Twiggy (paid no corporations tax) and the likes of Clive and Gina need to be less selfish

Swan mentioned the many well off that have preformed outstanding community work and ironically the first person that came to my mind was Dame Elizabeth Murdoch.

The Finnigans
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[More BISON material.]

BK, the next update will a bumper edition. Thanks

DavidWH
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The problem with the entire mining tax evolution is that it has been poorly managed and communicated and the end result we end up with a flawed policy. The better approach would have been to engage/involve all parties fully from the beginning. That necessitated the federal government, the states because under our Constitution they own the resources and are responsible for a less than efficient royalty system and the industry sector. The federal government and tried to force a bad system on the sector and ended up agreeing on a less than efficient tax system as a result. Much of… Read more »
Pegasus
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1934pc
[But not too much of a fair go, otherwise they lose the drive to find a job!.]
Is this tongue in cheek, or ru being serious?

confessions
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[I was told Carr (Kim) was instrumental in the downfall of Rudd.]

Really? That would be remarkable given his public support for Rudd.

If true, suggests he was trying to play both sides of the fence, but cocked it up big time.

BK
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More BISON material.
[Hiring intentions have reached their highest level in more than three years as a report shows the jobs market has posted solid growth for the second consecutive month.

The monthly ANZ job advertisement series shows the total number of positions advertised rose 3.3 per cent in February on a seasonally adjusted basis, driven by a strong 3.8 per cent rise in online job ads.

This follows a solid upwardly revised jump of 7.5 per cent in January.

ANZ chief economist Warren Hogan believes the labour market will see gradual improvement throughout 2012 based on this result.]
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-05/job-ads-hit-three-year-high-survey-shows/3869114

dave
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lizzie Posted Monday, March 5, 2012 at 2:04 pm | Permalink I liked the way that Swan got in a few digs at the attendant media. That fellow from the Oz was the only once who looked very sullen after he sat down – he wa the one who said “what about the power of the unions?” I think. Obvious slapdown from Swan. That was David Crowe – recently moved from the AFR to the OO. He is a pretty good reporter but I’m disappointed to see him working for Murdoch. But then Stuchbury the new AFR editor moved from… Read more »
The Finnigans
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[Something sure has changed with Swannie since Rudd resigned.We have been seeing the “Swan Unleashed”.]

Poroti, i fed Swannie plenty of red herrings. Kinda like spinach for Popeye

Pegasus
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Poverty Report by ACOSS, October 2011 update: http://acoss.org.au/images/uploads/ACOSS_Poverty_October_2011.pdf [Past research commissioned by ACOSS and conducted by the Social Policy Research Centre at the University of NSW in 2007 estimated that the number of Australians living in poverty has increased. Approximately 2.2 million people, or 11% of Australians lived in poverty in 2006 – the latest date for which statistics are available ‐ compared with 10% in 2004 and 8% in 1994. These figures were determined using the OECD’s measure of 50% of median income poverty line, a stringent one by international standards. Using the measure of poverty that is currently… Read more »
1934pc
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[Even Alan Bond spent a bit of money for social good.]

Are not these donations TAX deductable?.

poroti
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ruawake

[Swannie looked the most relaxed I can ever recall seeing him.

Maybe he is feeling secure about his position at last?]
Something sure has changed with Swannie since Rudd resigned.We have been seeing the “Swan Unleashed”.

1934pc
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[Essential Research steady at 56-44.]

Great!, now only 6 in one hundred need to change their mind, and they have eighteen months to do it!.

Gweneth
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Morning PBS

Even Alan Bond spent a bit of money for social good.

1934pc
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[Peter Martin is good bloke and yes Newstart is way below what it should be, Swannie. Those on it also deserve “a fair go”.]

But not too much of a fair go, otherwise they lose the drive to find a job!.

The Finnigans
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[I think K carr had gas]

Alo’ Gussie, your fault, too much helium

The Finnigans
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[Victoria tell me an age and a system where a few individuals haven’t accumulated obscene amounts of wealth and exercised their power to protect what they have?]

DavidWH, Gee what sort of question is that?

You might just as well:

[Victoria tell me an age and a system where a few individuals haven’t accumulated obscene amounts of power and exercised their power to stay in power? ]

Intellectually bankrupt

Tom Hawkins
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[I not really sure what Swan is trying to say other than these specific people are easy targets for a political swipe.]

It’s about equity.

If it was a Liberal PM or treasurer mounting this argument (in bizarro world) they would be lauded as standing up for the battlers.

lizzie
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I liked the way that Swan got in a few digs at the attendant media. That fellow from the Oz was the only once who looked very sullen after he sat down – he wa the one who said “what about the power of the unions?” I think. Obvious slapdown from Swan.

the spectator
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[Victoria tell me an age and a system where a few individuals haven’t accumulated obscene amounts of wealth and exercised their power to protect what they have?] The current era: Warren Buffett and Bill Gates have both pledged to donate 99% of their fortune to charity and are indeed conducting philanthropy now. Both will not pass on their money to their children. Rockefeller was similarly conducting large scale philanthropy – setting up research hospitals, universities etc. Aust billionaries by comparison are misrable, selfish fools only interested in playing partisan games through the media to increase their largese. their fortunes could… Read more »
gusface
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I think K carr had gas

😉

poroti
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DavidWH

[I not really sure what Swan is trying to say other than these specific people are easy targets for a political swipe.]
I thought the message quite clear.He has not said “No” to wealth and the wealthy. He has said “No” to people distorting democracy by using their personal wealth to bend the political system for their own personal benefit. See Leveson Enquiry. See also Russia’s recent history and “Oligarchs”. Yes the wealthy and the powerful have always tried to do so. Just as it is also true we must not allow them free reign to do so.

zoomster
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I was told Carr (Kim) was instrumental in the downfall of Rudd.

If so, he has not only switched sides but made it clear to everyone by doing so that he is not to be trusted.

Grim position for any factional leader to be in.

ruawake
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Swannie looked the most relaxed I can ever recall seeing him.

Maybe he is feeling secure about his position at last?

zoomster
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DavidWH Swan isn’t against people making money – he explicitly said so. And he thinks the vast majority of those who do make money are responsible and reasonable. What he did say is that no one makes money by themselves – they do so because the society they live in helps them, and thus it is only fair that they give something back. Again, he recognised that the majority of those who make money recognise this – which is why the mining tax was able to be negotiated. What he objects to is a minority of those who make money… Read more »
lizzie
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DavidWH
[tell me an age and a system]
So that makes it right? It’s not the number of $, it’s how it’s applied.

The Finnigans
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Mike Rann has just recited the BISONs on #Slynews

victoria
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DavidWH

Are you pretending to have no clue, or are you being facetious?

Think Big
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DavidWH
[these specific people are easy targets for a political swipe.]

They made themselves targets by becoming involved in political campaigns against the government. Swipe away Swannie!

Leroy Lynch
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http://www.news.com.au/national/class-warfare-wayne-swan-takes-aim-a-wildly-irresponsible-billionaires/story-e6frfkvr-1226289376455

[CLASS WARFARE: Wayne Swan takes aim a ‘wildly irresponsible’ billionaires
By Malcolm Farr, National Political Editor
From: news.com.au
March 05, 2012 12:58PM

TREASURER Wayne Swan has dedicated himself to protecting Australia’s middle class during Asia’s economic explosion as he renewed attacks on “wildly irresponsible” billionaires.

Mr Swan said he feared Australia’s “proud egalitarian tradition” was in danger from the huge economic changes of the Asian Century.

He said manufacturing and tourism workers were concerned about their futures as the high Australian dollar battered their industries, but vested interests were opposing remedies such as the mining profits tax.]
more in the article

victoria
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The Finns

Considering Kim Carr always has a gloomy expression

DavidWH
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Victoria tell me an age and a system where a few individuals haven’t accumulated obscene amounts of wealth and exercised their power to protect what they have?

The Finnigans
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[But there was one thunder cloud during the proceedings: the face of Senator Kim Carr.

The newly-appointed Minister for Human Services looked downcast throughout the official ceremony at Government House, and the group portrait on the steps.]

Jesuz, the fate of the Govt & the Nation has come down to making one person’s face not gloomy

Leroy Lynch
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-05/swan-versus-miners-at-national-press-club/3869142 [Swan accuses Abbott of ‘singing for his supper’ By chief political correspondent Emma Griffiths Updated March 05, 2012 13:04:09 Treasurer Wayne Swan has fired the latest salvo in his battle with some of the country’s richest people, this time attacking Opposition Leader Tony Abbott for “singing for his supper”. The Treasurer has told the National Press Club that Mr Abbott’s opposition to the mining tax and a carbon price “is about more than his reflex for negativity”. “He is of course singing for his supper – we can see that in the donations from the likes of Clive Palmer… Read more »
lizzie
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DavidWH

I don’t believe Swanny was saying people can’t make big fortunes. In fact from memory he said he was defiitely not against it. He was protesting against people with deep pockets using their millions to influence the parliament against the general good, such as Big Tobacco.
IMHO that was the bext speech I’ve ever heard from Swan.
Interestingly, he said he was essentially repeating his maiden speech in parl, and several others since then.

Pegasus
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Mike Long, towards the end of his analysis just now on ABC24 of Swan’s NPC address highlights two of the issues that need some action if “a fair go” means anything: NewStart and flat rate of taxation for superannuation which advantages the well-off. Tellingly, the level of single parent payment rarely rates a mention.

Toorak Toff
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By the way BB, it’s ouija (yesyes).

Leroy Lynch
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http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/03/05/simons-how-the-fink-nailed-the-media-inquiry/

[Monday, 5 March 2012
Simons: how the Fink nailed the media inquiry
by Margaret Simons

Start with this. You will find it difficult to get an idea of what the Finkelstein report on news media regulation actually says, or why it has reached its controversial conclusions, from reading the mainstream media.

The irony is lost on no one, judging from all the eye-rolling in the ministerial offices this morning, except perhaps those editors and reporters who will deny it is so.]
worth a read

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