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Redmond quits

The South Australian Liberals will choose a new leader on Monday after Isobel Redmond announced this morning her increasingly beleagured tenure had come to an end.

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Months after surviving a leadership challenge by a solitary vote, Isobel Redmond has pulled the plug on her three-and-a-half year spell as leader of the South Australian Liberals. Her successor will be chosen at a secret party room ballot at 9am on Monday. The hot tip had been that Alexander Downer would be drafted in to take the reins, but his denials today have been fairly emphatic. Deputy leader Steven Marshall appears to be a likely starter on Monday; the unsuccessful challenger from November, Martin Hamilton-Smith, is also presumably considering his options. This post will be feature updates on events as they transpire.

UPDATE (1/2/13): Daniel Wills of the Advertiser:

FIRST-term MP Steven Marshall is firming to become state Liberal leader after Isobel Redmond’s shock resignation, but senior party sources insist he will only take the job “on his own terms”.

Lucille Keen of the Financial Review:

The surprise move has pushed her deputy, Steven Marshall, into the leader’s position pending a party-room vote on Monday.

Insiders say he is likely to win that vote but speculation is still intense about the possibility that Mr Downer will lead the party to the March 2014 poll.

Paul Starick of the Advertiser:

It remains more likely, if he is to assume the leadership, that Mr Downer would wait until later in the year before declaring his hand.

Equally, he might just let the issue fizzle out if a new leader performs strongly.

UPDATE (2/2/13): Steven Marshall has appeared for a symbolism-packed photo opportunity with bitter 90s leadership rivals John Olsen and Dean Brown, who have both announced their support for his leadership bid. Olsen had “reportedly been a backer of the Downer option”. Downer was not available for comment yesterday.

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Rational Leftist
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[New Liberal shadow ministry announced. Rather an odd setup. Trying to behave like a buisness board?]

Underwhelming is the word I’d use. He’s just shuffled the same hacks around.

Marshall hasn’t had the best start, in my view. He’s made a few errors of judgement. Luckily for him, he’s still in a honeymoon period and he has a little sympathy, however, if he doesn’t improve by the end of the year, he could end up being a total dud.

Wakefield
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New Liberal shadow ministry announced. Rather an odd setup. Trying to behave like a buisness board?

Rational Leftist
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Oh, it looks like the ALP website is not the only one with Latin in it. The National Association of Local Authorities in Ghana (their equivalent of our LGA) website does too.

http://www.nalag.org/index.php

Okay, I will come right out and say it: Illuminati Zionist Lizardmen from Tau Ceti IV! 😆

Rational Leftist
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[Carey – calling the Pyne faction Left Liberals is a bit off beam. They are right wing. The others are rural conservatives?]

I wasn’t commenting on their ideology, I was just referring to the label they are known as.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking
Wakefield @69 I know, I am deeply embarrassed but my source had admitted to being overly optimistic about Chapman coming unstuck and Chapman was brilliant. Some in the Liberals wish she could show that level of political nous outside the Liberal Party, but anyhow… What happened was Chapman put her hand up, confirmed votes from her faction were solid very quickly, and then refused to back down. Iain Evans of course did much the same with his faction a little later. It left the unaligned candidates and unaligned MPs nowhere to go but for the factional candidates as they didn’t… Read more »
Wakefield
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Carey – calling the Pyne faction Left Liberals is a bit off beam. They are right wing. The others are rural conservatives?

Rational Leftist
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As the Left has gotten a total win out of today, who will Marshall have to keep an eye on more? Chapman or somebody from the Right?

MHS looks like he has the potential to be this generation’s John Olsen, TBH…

Wakefield
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Indep Thinking – need to review your intelligence.

Anyone able to put up a list of who voted for who and compared with last leadership vote. Suspect Redmond must have voted voted for Chapman?

Toorak Toff
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The Libs are crazy. Dan XYZ Pelleken should have been deputy to complete a brand new team and mollify the dries.

Now the deputy will be tempted to unseat the leader, and the dries will be out to dehydrate the wets.

Rational Leftist
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Chapman as deputy? Watch your back Steven etc.

The Liberal Left will be proud of what they’ve achieved with this ticket.

castle
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Marshall leader Chapman deputy.

Abbott has held news conference deploring knifing of Redmond.

Pyne at same conference compared Marshals actions to a crazed Nazi regime and called for a bomb in the bunker approach to correct this travesty.

Laming tweeted that Marshall should have been helping kids on first day back at school insted of knifing leader.

Bernardi has lamented misogynistic SA liberals for knifing a woman leader for a man.

Hockey has asked whens lunch.

Wakefield
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What an odd outcome if the MHS – Marshall ticket from last time ends up as the Marshall – MHS ticket this time. History repeating itself backwards somehow.

Sunday Mail predictions – be interesting to see if they improve with David Penberthy as Editor.

Rational Leftist
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IT, the Liberals seem to very wisely be pulling their heads in lately and thinking of the future. I think the mood is that, if they screw up next year, the subsequent despair could haunt them in the long term. Ultimately, the deputy race will probably go to MHS in the name of unity and as a reward for not making a fuss this time. I will note that some have made comparisons between the current situation and when Dean Brown and John Olsen faced off to succeed Dale Baker in the early 1990s. While there are similarities (and certainly,… Read more »
Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking
Today’s Sunday Mail in SA has a story that the Deputy Lib Leader position is likely to go to Vickie Chapman. Rubbish. She won’t get more than her own moderate faction votes and conservative Iain Evans is also dead in the water. It is true Dan van Horst Pellekan is receding as a contender due to his inexperience, when combined with that of the equally inexperienced Marshall. He will pull out Monday morning if he thinks he will bomb. Marty Hyphen-Smith is still negotiating with Steven Marshal to be deputy asking that he gets it without a ballot after all… Read more »
Diogenes
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Kevin

Thank you for that. You did a much better job than I did. Agree with all your comments.

Kevin Bonham
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Some readers of the SA SSM discussion may find my discussion of the Tasmanian SSM rejection of use or interest: http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/the-legcos-claimed-reasons-for.html Mick Wilkinson@46 Any state who opens the door to gay marriage will eventually rue the day they ever considered it. I don’t see any sign that nations that legalised it many years ago are ruing it. 2. Marriage as a cultural and religious institution should not be made to bend to the will of those currently outside its legal boundaries. It is akin to waltzing into vegetarian restaurants and demanding that meat be served. An invalid comparison. A meat-eater… Read more »
Kirsdarke
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That latin “Lorem Ipsum” stuff is the default text for text boxes while using Microsoft Publisher.

SA Labor really needs to get a professional web designer.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking

I notice the ALP has now removed the Latin from their SA webpage. Pity, it was the most interesting thing on it.

Rational Leftist
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[Finding a deputy will be another factional stoush.]

Deputy battles don’t capture the public’s attention as much as leadership battles. They will survive a competitive race.

Rational Leftist
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If Marshall is smart, he would avoid any more photo ops with John Olsen. Last thing he’d want is to be associated with that disastrously bad government.

Wakefield
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Well done Alexander Downer helping destroy Isobel Redmond – member of his own conservative faction. And probably install Marshall from the other conservative Pyne faction.
Finding a deputy will be another factional stoush.

Be interesting to see if Marshall can restrain his impulsive and rather dogmatic tendencies.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking

William @39 – unbelievably, the Latin is still there, and according to Google translator, it reads:
“This page is required to post a comment. Select a base that they want freedom. More clinical laughter from freight and throat, post it here. Read-time storage. Your investment, drilling shafts and arches, just a clinical impact, as a mass at the Olympic requirements. In order to obtain arrows nibh not a problem. China’s mass of visitors and school. Now a great job now. Contact.”

Diogenes
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Mick The APA does not say there are no genetic factors in sexual attraction. They say it is a mixture of genetics and environment. [There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of… Read more »
oyster
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the editor of fridays advertiser certainly let the readers know which person they wanted for the job with the photos of marshall and downer on the front page
nice photo of downer smiling, photo of marshall just awful

Psephos
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[Psephos – actually the states can make laws regarding marriage. It’s not an exclusive Commonwealth power.]

That’s true, but the Commonwealth has already legislated in the area: the Marriage Act says that marriage is between a man and a woman. No state law can contradict the federal law. Any law that purports to do so will be struck down by the High Court at the first challenge.

Mick Wilkinson
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Dio 1. ‘much the same’ is not ‘the same’ and denies the importance of male and female parents as diverse and important influences on child rearing. 2. The APA, as arguably the peak Psychological Association in the world, does not agree with any part of your statement regarding genetics. Some proclaim gayness is as prevalent as diabetes.. with the human genome project complete, it is odd that such evidence is still inconclusive. 3. In the last decade, no government has ‘rued the day’, sure, but there are not ‘plenty’ of countries that have done this and it is nonsensical to… Read more »
Diogenes
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Mick

Homosexual couples are already allowed to adopt children and studies show they turn out much the same as other kids. SSM has nothing to do with homosexual adoption.

Genetics are about 20% of sexual orientation using twin studies. Environment is more important.

Plenty of places have legalised SSM. None of them have “rued the day”.

Peter of Marino
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Independently Thinking @ 30

Thank you for the clarification.

Rational Leftist
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Okay… (tl;dr)

Mick Wilkinson
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Any state who opens the door to gay marriage will eventually rue the day they ever considered it. This is a fringe issue that affects fewer people in Australia than arguably more important indigenous issues. The plain facts are: 1. Civil unions already allow equality in financial and legal benefit in the same way that de facto relationships are given. 2. Marriage as a cultural and religious institution should not be made to bend to the will of those currently outside its legal boundaries. It is akin to waltzing into vegetarian restaurants and demanding that meat be served. 3. The… Read more »
Rational Leftist
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[It’s quite ironical that South Australia, which in 1894 gave women the right to vote and to stand for parliament, is the only state or territory not to have had a female chief minister or premier.

Now that Isobel Redmond’s gone, there’s no woman on the horizon either.]

What is less ironic though is it is the only state that has given a majority of its 2PP vote to a party led by a woman, both state and federally.

Toorak Toff
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It’s quite ironical that South Australia, which in 1894 gave women the right to vote and to stand for parliament, is the only state or territory not to have had a female chief minister or premier.

Now that Isobel Redmond’s gone, there’s no woman on the horizon either.

Diogenes
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[Psephos – actually the states can make laws regarding marriage. It’s not an exclusive Commonwealth power.]

My understanding is that the states can legislate for SSM but it could be challenged by the Feds.

It would be friggin’ hilarious if SA legislates for SMM and Gillard tries to strike the law down, despite SSM being official ALP policy.

Toorak Toff
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Jay was generous in his comments on Isobel, his former law firm colleague.

If the Pelioan gets the deputy post, it will be good news for Marshall and the Libs. Two smart cookies on opposite sides of the Liberal divide. No doubt C. Pyne will be salivating over his boy’s accession to the top job.

Rational Leftist
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[Anyway, my point was – if the Labor govt. doesn’t have money to spend, it needs to look for something more along the lines of big picture social policies (like gay marriage) to show that it stands for something.]

I disagree. It should stand on its record of infrastructure investment and economic growth.* Same sex marriage should be legalised because it’s the right thing to do but the swing-voting “average Joe” isn’t going to give a damn about the issue of same sex marriage when it comes to voting.

Patrick Bateman
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Anyway, my point was – if the Labor govt. doesn’t have money to spend, it needs to look for something more along the lines of big picture social policies (like gay marriage) to show that it stands for something.

Rational Leftist
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There will be a vote on the issue early this year. Weatherill is personally for it but is allowing a conscience vote. Redmond similarly had extended the conscience vote to her party (and is personally for it), I daresay Marshall will take the same stance.

As for the constitutionality, it is debated. I would like to see it pass, so the High Court can clear it up once and for all. Even if the HC strikes it down, it would still be good symbolically.

Patrick Bateman
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Psephos – actually the states can make laws regarding marriage. It’s not an exclusive Commonwealth power.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/states-leave-canberra-behind-in-rush-to-samesex-marriage-20120919-266wa.html

gloryconsequence
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Labor have next to no chance in 2014.

Marshall isn’t too bad. He won’t get my vote, but he will get a lot of people’s – I think a Marshal/Chapman ticket will win a comfortable majority.

Put it this way – it could be worse.

Psephos
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[I would love to see Weatherill go for some real game-changers – say, legalising gay marriage in SA (in D Dunstan’s memory, perhaps), ]

The states can’t legalise same-sex marriage.

Rational Leftist
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One thing that works in favour for the SA ALP Govt is that the PM has been kind enough to time the election to give South Australians a good solid six months of Federal Coalition government to make a few South Australian voters maybe think twice about giving them state government too.

Diogenes
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Sportsbet have stopped betting now. Looks like Marshall is the only candidate.

Diogenes
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Sportsbet have MHS $2.50, Downer $2.75, Chapman $4 and Marshall $5.

Rational Leftist
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The dodgy documents didn’t ruin MHS’ leadership. It was already dying. The documents saga just finished it off. MHS was a terrible leader who was too aggressive, yet toothless. He also lacked substance as well. Rann would’ve crushed him. Weatherill would definitely crush him this time, had he decided to run and won.

Also, he’s from the conservative wing. They never do well as leaders of the state party. The voters tend to prefer moderate leaders.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking
Oh, and Peter @16, you need to be corrected – Martin Hamilton-Smith did not manufacture the dodgy documents in regard to links between the ALP and the Church (sic) of Scientology. The dodgy documents landed on MHS’s desk off the so called back of a truck and he and his then COS thought they were genuine and ran with them in the media where the documents were soon discredited. As was Marty and his soon to be out of work COS. The SA parliament rumour mill has it that an ALP staffer did them up (I hasten to add without… Read more »
Rational Leftist
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Also, I am thoroughly disappointed that Labor MPs have not lined up to express how much they actually respected Redmond and how they despair over her treatment. If the shoe was on the other foot, you can be assured there would’ve been crocodile tears from everybody remotely associated with the Liberal Party…

Rational Leftist
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Congratulations Mr. Marshall and, indeed, the Liberal Party for your inevitable win next year.

Let’s hope they have a decent vision this time that isn’t just gut the state’s infrastructure and do nothing, while everybody under 50 leaves…

I would hate to see the progress made by this government undone by a bunch of myopic conservatives.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking
Sykesie @24, I know it is a little while ago, but how much parliamentary experience did Bob Hawke have before he became leader of he Opposition and then Prime Minister? The inside word is a large number of Libs will not allow Vicki Chapman near the leadership, and many of them are also scared of MHS being deputy; but the numbers are close for both to get what they want, or nothing. As they are from opposite factions, they both won’t be happy. The most likely scenario is that Horst van der Pellekan will get the Deputy job to make… Read more »
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