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As I type, polling booths in South Australia are set to close at any tick of the clock. I do so from the studios of ABC Television in Adelaide, where I’ll be standing in for Antony Green, who spends the evening grappling with Tasmania’s high-maintenance electoral system. Obviously I won’t have much to offer in the way of live commentary on this site, but here’s a thread where you can call the toss as the results roll in.

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Lev Lafayette
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Swamprat, the electoral system isn’t “dishonest” as such, but it does reflect the reality that parliament is a collection of regional representatives rather than a proportional representation of the entire region.

Arguably if voting in a State parliament, for example, you would use a state-wide PR to achieve the results that you are looking at. There is a sound point of view that if a person wishes to represent the issues of a local community, then they should be running for a local council, not as a state MP!

However, keep in mind that a state-wide ballot paper is likely to be “somewhat large”, assuming that election has a relatively low threshold (say, 5%) or a modest deposit (say $2000 as per the Australian Senate).

Jackol
Guest

MMP does seem like a good solution to me.

And OC – if people are voting for Libs and FF in sufficient numbers and the Libs and FF feel like close enough parties to form a government… that’s just the way things work out. If it turns out that South Australians are unhappy with how that worked out they will vote differently next time.

Given the current Federal government I don’t think anyone can be too precious about what FF might or might not do.

Centre
Guest

Interesting day on the voting front.

Two conclusions can be drawn;

1)the Libs performed much worse than expected in SA which must sound alarm bells for Abbott, and

2)the Greens should change leader from Milne to Bandt asap.

*me crash

swamprat
Guest

In NZ they have both local MPs and list MPs to ensure the parliament is a fair representation of the voters votes.

I am hardly surprised that contemporary Australians would find such things inconceivable.

It is a reflection of the state of our polity.

Centre
Guest

Swamprat

The preferential system of voting is the best and most democratic because it allows the voter to rank his/her selections from the top to the bottom.

If you feel that you prefer two or more parties ahead of another, you should be given the right to express so accordingly.

What if I wanted to vote Greens, hang on, let’s say if someone wanted to vote Greens 🙂 but were too chicken that if you voted against Labor, the Libs could get elected?

The system of ranking reflects the wishes of the electorate best!

mexicanbeemer
Guest

I don’t think there is an ideal way, multi member seats breed no named MPs getting in on only as small number of votes.

Sure single member seats have their issues but at least the local MP is the one and only local MP.

Rossmcg
Guest

Swam peat? That’s swamprat. It’s getting late

Rossmcg
Guest

Swam peat

Tell me how … And remember, be careful what you wish for

swamprat
Guest

Rossmcg

The system is BAD and needs to be reformed.

Edi_Mahin
Guest

It was a response to Don Farrell not getting elected at the Federal election from second position on the senate ticket.

swamprat
Guest

Centre how do you say a system is “best”. You mean best for established parties.nagreed.

I know preferential is a little better than FPTP but totally dishonest in reflecting the real choices of voters.

zoidlord
Guest

@Edi/434

Is this a precursor to WA rerun and Victoria election, using an upper house Campaign ?

Rossmcg
Guest

The Tories hold 90 of the 150 seats in the House of Representatives, did they get 60 per cent of the vote?
No.
It’s a bit cute to complain about winning the TPP but not the seats. The system is the system and I don’t recall either major party suggesting that it should be changed.
JWH had control of both houses of the federal parliament for a while and his main interest was screwing workers not overhauling the electoral system to entrench his position.
That must mean something.

Oakeshott Country
Guest

I forgot that ALP won the 1995 NSW election with a little under 49% of the 2PP

lefty e
Guest

I think we can make one very firm prediction from tonight: you wont be seeing Abbott campaigning in the VIC election later this year.

Tom the first and best
Guest
Tom the first and best

If I were the SA Liberals, I would be arguing for a version of Mixed Member Proportional, the system used in NZ, but with fewer top up seats and the allocation of top up seats based on the 2PP not the primary vote.

Edi_Mahin
Guest

Country safe Liberal seats have swung against the Liberals because Labor ran an upper house campaign for the first time since 1973. As a side effect it means they were running a country campaign and they had a presence in many areas they normally do not ha presence.
Source Michael Atkinson on ABC Radio coverage.

Centre
Guest

swamprat

There is nothing to stop the Greens from winning 50% + 1 of the vote if they are good enough, just like the rest.

Preferential voting is the most democratic and the best. It allows voters to rank their choice from top to bottom.

The Senate is a different story. It should reflect the primary vote for the house of reps. No more big white paper – yay!

mexicanbeemer
Guest

Kavel
is another safe Liberal seat with a 3% swing towards the ALP.

swamprat
Guest

Why have Liberal seats swung against Liberals?

Is it Abbott? Or local issues?

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