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South Australian election late counting

A progressively updated post following the counting of over a quarter-of-a-million outstanding votes in South Australia's cliffhanger election.

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Friday

5.3pm. Further counting in Elder reversed the trend just noted, breaking 1485-1254 Labor’s way and putting the lead at 757, which is very likely more than the number of votes still outstanding. Counting also favoured Labor today in Ashford (347-287, increasing the lead to 820) and Newland (671-652, putting it at 656).

Noon. Declaration votes are flowing fairly strongly the Liberals’ way in Elder, a second batch breaking 528-429. That reduces the Labor lead to 526, and could send it below 300 if the trend continues.

Thursday

8.30pm. The final score for the day from Colton shows Labor gained 1196-1078, putting Paul Caica’s lead at an unassailable 570 with perhaps 1000 votes remaining to be counted. The tide of late counting continued to flood the Liberals’ way in Hartley, today’s batch favouring Liberal candidate Vincent Tarzia over Grace Portolesi by 1685-1204, pushing his lead out to 1131.

5pm. A big addition of votes in Newland breaks 1426-1332, putting Labor’s Tom Kenyon 637 ahead and confirming his victory. In Mitchell, Labor clawed back 39 votes out of 3203 added, but it’s too little too late. Pretty much impossible now not to see a result of Labor 23, Liberal 22, independents two.

4.30pm. Labor has pulled a further 107 ahead with the addition of 1415 votes in Ashford, where Steph Key’s lead is now at 760 and unlikely to change much with perhaps 1000 votes still outstanding. Sykesie reports Labor now 588 ahead in Colton, with postals favouring the Liberals by an insufficient 52-48.

1.30pm. Well-informed commenter Sykesie relates that the morning’s counting in Colton has broken Labor’s way 349-262, putting Labor 539 votes in front and making life all but impossible for the Liberals. Their only hope of making it a twenty-third seat is an unlikely late reversal in Newland, where Labor leads by 543 with declaration vote counting still at an early stage, with about 4000 votes still to count.

Wednesday

11pm. It appears a move from postal to pre-poll counting also staunched the flow in Ashford, where Labor’s Steph Key now looks home and hosed after today’s batch broke only 728-720 to Liberal. This leaves Key 653 in front and projected to win by about 500. Nothing today from Elder or Newland.

6pm. Labor nerves will have steadied considerably with the addition of 970 votes in Colton, which I understand to be pre-polls. These have broken 491-479 in their favour and held their lead at 452. Projecting the existing declaration vote shares over an assumption of about 3000 outstanding votes, Labor emerges over 250 votes in the clear.

1pm. Mitchell continues to trend the Liberals’ way, 980 newly added votes breaking 563-417 and pushing the margin out from 373 to 519.

Tuesday

6pm. It appears the votes counted today were mostly if not entirely postal votes, and they are playing according to the script of favouring the Liberals by virtue of not reflecting the move back to Labor in the final week. On top of what was mentioned previously, today’s counting favoured the Liberals 808-634 in Ashford and 888-767 in Elder, and while that’s likely to be too little too late in Elder, the projected Labor win in Ashford comes down to double figures if the final declaration vote total is presumed to be 6000.

5pm. Encouraging first set of declaration vote numbers for the Liberals in Colton, breaking their way 556-425. If that trend were to play out over a total of 5000 declaration votes – 4000 having been the norm last time, but many more pre-polls apparently having been cast this time – the Liberals would finish about 100 in front. However, it may be that these are absent votes cast over the boundary in a Liberal-leaning part of the electorate, or representative of a particularly strong result for the Liberals on either postals, absent or pre-poll votes that won’t be replicated among the other vote types. UPDATE: I’m told on Twitter that these are postal votes. ECSA doesn’t do breakdowns of declaration votes, but in the corresponding federal seat of Hindmarsh, the Liberal two-party vote in September was 55.4% compared with 53.9% for pre-polls. Absent votes favoured broke 52-48 to Labor, but that’s unlikely to be instructive with respect to Colton.

4pm. The first 1424 added in the only seat that might get Labor to a majority, Mitchell, have broken 782-642 the Liberals’ way, increasing their lead from 233 to 373. If that keeps up, their winning margin will be around 800.

2pm. 1218 votes have been added in Newland, breaking 632-586 to the Liberals and reducing the Labor lead from 589 to 543. If that trend continues, the Liberals will only be able to wear away about 200 votes. However, trends in late counting can be variable, particularly in relation to pre-poll and absent votes which might be cast in particular parts of the electorate or neighbouring electorates. Unfortunately, ECSA doesn’t distinguish between different types of declaration vote in its published results.

Monday night

This post will follow the crucial late counting for the South Australian election, which has so far only dealt with re-checking of the polling booth votes counted on election night. Counting of an estimated 260,000 pre-poll and postal votes begins today, with the Liberals needing multiple miracles to boost them from their likely total of 22 to a majority of 24, and Labor hoping they might yet get there through what presently seems an unlikely win in Mitchell. Labor’s narrowest leads are of 571 votes in Colton (1.6%) and 589 votes in Newland (1.8%), while the Liberal lead in Mitchell is 233 (0.7%).

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crikey whitey
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Hope I have the right link. If fails, pasting the content.\ http://indaily.com.au/news/2014/03/27/pyne-cost-liberals-state-win/ Kevin Naughton | 27 March 2014 Jassmine Wood Adelaide While the state Liberal Party bemoans the way the numbers fell on March 15, it might want to re-visit the way it did its own numbers in pre-selecting a candidate in Colton, the seat that ultimately cost it government. The pre-selection hit the headlines a couple of times: in late 2012 when it was delayed and re-opened in controversial circumstances, and again in 2013 when the decision was appealed. When the Colton branch eventually had its say on who… Read more »
crikey whitey
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‘Which journalist at The Australian was in line for a position in Steven Marshall’s office had he become South Australian premier,…’

Don’t know who that would be. Pray tell.

Same deal as MP’s ‘moving on’ to private enterprise.

Leroy Lynch
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http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/03/25/tips-and-rumours-1090/ [Tips and rumours Mar 25, 2014 12:38PM ……………. Oz journo misses his chance. Which journalist at The Australian was in line for a position in Steven Marshall’s office had he become South Australian premier, but instead is left venting in the pages of the national broadsheet instead? As sympathetic as we are to employees desperate to leave the Oz, it prompts this thought: why no disclosure from journalists in such circumstances? Perhaps there are even grounds for a cooling-off period. Matthew Franklin, for example, hadn’t worked at The Australian for several months before turning up as Kevin Rudd’s chief… Read more »
crikey whitey
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crikey whitey
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Posting these two links for future reference.
Both contain commentary on SA Election results.

Labor to form government in South Australia

Premier Jay Weatherill announces the independent MP Geoff Brock has given his support and will receive a ministry.

The Guardian.com, Sunday 23 March 2014 14.01 AEST
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/labor-to-form-government-in-south-australia

Seat of the week: Adelaide
William Bowe | Mar 23, 2014 4:41AM | EMAIL | PRINT

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/03/23/seat-of-the-week-adelaide-2/?comment_page=1/#comments

Elvis
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Decent bloke, Weatherill. Good on him.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking

It would be funnier if there was an informal vote.

Rational Leftist
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[Untrue. The S.A. Liberal leader is chosen purely by a vote of House of Assembly MPs.]

Oh, right you are.

ShowsOn
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[MLCs get a vote too. So it would be 30 total votes and a tied room would be 15-15]
Untrue. The S.A. Liberal leader is chosen purely by a vote of House of Assembly MPs.

Rational Leftist
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[I’m loving the fact the Liberals won 22 seats in the House.

This means their next leadership ballot will be tied 11 – 11.]

MLCs get a vote too. So it would be 30 total votes and a tied room would be 15-15

But really, so what? Any even number can lead to a tie and this is the largest the Liberal party room has been since the 2002 election.

ShowsOn
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I’m loving the fact the Liberals won 22 seats in the House.

This means their next leadership ballot will be tied 11 – 11.

Martin B
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On LE’s note, just FTR the conservatives last held coast-to-coast power between 26 May 1969 (when the Libs came to power in Tas) and 2 June 1970 (when the ALP came to power in SA).

Psephos
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Why don’t you make yourself useful and find out who the next SA Liberal leader will be, Edwina?

Rational Leftist
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[Does that mean Carey , Jai will expand cabinet given he has given Brock a spot ?]

No idea. The current cabinet has 13 members. I actually don’t know if that’s on par with an average SA cabinet or if it’s larger/smaller.

Edwina StJohn
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Does that mean Carey , Jai will expand cabinet given he has given Brock a spot ?

Rational Leftist
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While Weatherill will probably give the entire cabinet a reshuffle, rather than just fill the gaps (the current cabinet was a war cabinet to prepare for the election), the cabinet members who will not be returning to parliament are Michael O’Brien (Right), Chloe Fox (Right) and Grace Portolesi (Left). I and a few others have been saying that Stephen Mullighan (Right) should be fast-tracked to cabinet as he has future leadership potential. Susan Close (Left) should also be brought up too – I personally see her as a potential Deputy Leader. As for other people who aren’t in cabinet right… Read more »
Edwina StJohn
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So who will get the 2 cabinet vacancies? (Assuming the 3rd is Brock’s and Jai doesn’t expand the size of cabinet).

lefty e
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Its Labor in SA. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-23/sa-to-form-minority-labor-government/5339398

And so the LNP dream of ‘wall to wall’, just as the ALP had not so long ago, dies in a ditch in Adelaide.

I never did work out the SA LNP leader’s name. Guess it doesnt matter now.

Diogenes
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Soulman

I think solitary liver mets are very rare in prostate cancer. It’s normally disseminated by the time you get liver mets.

Could have a local recurrence of the prostate cancer though.

Of course it could be completely unrelated.

SoulmanZ
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Dio –

9 year lag time for new mets would be unusual. Surgery for bone mets would be unusual, pretty much only happening for a fracture or cord compression, both of which unlikely with prostate ca.

Unless there is a solitary liver met for resection the weight of probability is against the prostate being the issue, right?

spur212
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Done deal. Amazing result for the ALP against all odds. Now let’s hope the situation makes them get their act together!

Swing Required
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Brock has decided to support Labor.

All over, red rover.

spur212
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Weatherill’s about to hold a press conference. Some are saying if could be a decisive one

crikey whitey
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Bob Such is quite a lot classier than others.

It appears that his affliction is prostate cancer.

Which would be ‘fine’ in itself, contained at a certain point.

The ongoing danger is that it may metastise. Into bone and other parts of the body.

I think someone mentioned bone, possibly that is the case.

Sudden pain happens.

Which calls for decisions. Chemo, for one. And pain medication.

I presume, with no knowledge whatsoever, that Dr Such is suffering to the degree that he is unable to go on. At the moment.

My thoughts are with him, his wife and his family.

Wakefield
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ECSA has put up the figures for Legislative Council for 92% counted – so just about final apart from some postals amd maybe some odds and ends. The split of votes between all the parties looks remarkably consistent with the original poll booth vote even with almost a third of the votes were counted this week eg the X team had 12.9% on election night and still has 12.9%.

Antony Green calculator result same as election night – 4 Lib, 4 Labor, X group, FF and Greens.

Diogenes
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Psephos

The Governor could argue that the intention of the Constitution is being breached. The leave clause appears only intended as a temporary measure, not an indefinite leave.

Rational Leftist
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Such seems like a classy fellow and if, after this leave, he decides he can’t return to normal duties, I think he’d do the right thing and resign.

Psephos
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I don’t think the Governor has any grounds for stepping in unless the Constitution is being breached. But it would certainly look bad for someone who is too ill to attend Parliament to be given leave for more than, say, three months. I think the general view would then be that he should resign.

Diogenes
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Presumably permission of parliament involves a vote which Such would win. But to vote indefinite leave to someone potentially not intending on coming back would be highly questionable and the Governor might step in.

Psephos
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OK, so he can spend the next four years in hospital if he wants without losing his seat, although I imagine the voters of Fisher will get a bit snippy about not having an MP after a while.

Diogenes
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In the Constitution, parliament can grant leave.

[Vacation of seat in Assembly
31. (1) If any member of the House of Assembly—
(a) for twelve sitting days consecutively of any session of the House of Assembly without the permission of the House entered upon its journals fails to give his attendance in the House; or]

Diogenes
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Psephos

Finnigans has to turn up occasionally to avoid being tossed out so I imagine its the same for Such although hes in the Lower House.

Psephos
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If neither indy votes, the numbers will be 22-22 assuming Labor provides a Speaker. So long as Such is absent, Labor will stay in office unless Brock defects.

Question: Can the House give Such indefinite leave by resolution, or does the state Constitution say his seat will be declared vacant after a set period of non-attendance?

Edi_Mahin
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Brock does not have to back Labor for Labor to form government. He could abstain like Such did in 2002 and it looks like Such is being forced to do this time.

Diogenes
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The Libs can’t possibly form government so Brock has to back Labor and make the best of it.

Diogenes
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When does a decision have to be made? When parliament sits?

Psephos
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[This might sound terrible – but if he could make it through the campaign, surely he could tell us who he’ll back before disappearing?]

It doesn’t matter who he backs unless he’s in the House to vote. The Libs won’t give him a pair.

Patrick Bateman
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Cheers Diog.

This might sound terrible – but if he could make it through the campaign, surely he could tell us who he’ll back before disappearing?

Psephos
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[prostrate cancer.]

Nice to see even doctors make this common mistake.

Diogenes
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Patrick

We don’t know officially. He has prostate cancer and had a prostatectomy about nine years ago. He is in Flinders at the moment on extended leave.

We don’t even know if it is related to the prostrate cancer.

Patrick Bateman
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What is actually wrong with Such?

Diogenes
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My guess, with no insider knowledge, is that Such has a bony metastasis which will require surgery and radiotherapy.

There would have to be a very high chance there will be a by election to whoever forms government is pretty irrelevant.

Psephos
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[If Brock says he will go Labor only if the ALP keep Weatherill as Premier then I think Don Farrell will be the first Senator to give birth to kittens.]

A completely un-called-for remark. Farrell has shown admirable discipline and loyalty to Labor. He has twice given up positions he could have secured if he had been prepared to insist, in the interests of the party. Others could learn from his example.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking

If Brock says he will go Labor only if the ALP keep Weatherill as Premier then I think Don Farrell will be the first Senator to give birth to kittens.

Not only that, Turbo Tom for all of his white-anting of Weatherill during the campaign could be given a blood nose by Jay – say a portfolio he really hates – and the Right couldn’t move on sufferance of losing government on the floor of the house.

Geoff Brock can have a lot of fun, and do a lot of good for regional SA, at this rate.

Psephos
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There’s no “chaos”, Murdoch press. The Weatherill government stays in office unless and until it loses a vote of confidence when the House meets. If there are only 46 members present then Labor + Brock is a majority. If Atkinson is Speaker then the floor vote is 23-22. Even if the Libs win a Fisher by-election, Labor will survive with Atkinson’s casting vote.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking

Carey

Do you recall the ’93 election? The Sunday Mail didn’t know how to tell SA Keating had won/Hewson had lost.

I am told the then editor slumped into his office chair that night with a bottle of scotch and left everything to his staff.

I was also told by a prominent Advertiser journo after the ’93 State Election that Labor would never again run this state – when I reminded him of his comment in 2003 he muttered an epithet and walked off.

You’d think they’d move to the Daily Telegraph or something.

Independently Thinking
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Independently Thinking
Scott @340 I understand that when nominations closed he was not aware of the extent of his illness, awaiting medical advice. Like, I think I am safe to say, most of us, he did not abandon ship upon a possibly bad diagnosis but chose to go on, hoping for the best and knowing with modern medical practices he may well recover after a short break. (EG My father in law who was diagnosed with cancer in his 50s and after 6 or so months off work, with approved leave, returned and retired when 65 fit as a fiddle – and… Read more »
Rational Leftist
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Frankly, the Advertiser is one of the losers from this election. They completely read the pulse of the state wrong and their attempts to compensate for the egg on their faces with bullying headlines is just making them even bigger losers.

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