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Apr 16, 2014

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New South Wales will shortly have its fifth Premier in seven years following the bombshell resignation of Barry O’Farrell, who was today embarrassed by the emergence of a card in which he thanked Australian Water Holdings boss Nick Di Girolamo for a $3000 bottle of wine he yesterday denied having received. O’Farrell is the state’s second Liberal Premier to have been brought down by the exertions of the Independent Commission Against Corruption, Nick Greiner having fallen foul of an adverse ruling in 1992 involving a job offer to Liberal-turned-independent MP Terry Metherell. It now falls to the Liberal Party to find a replacement: without being too aware of the daily machinations of New South Wales politics, my immediate presumption was that the Treasurer, Mike Baird, would be the front-runner. However, I am seeing Gladys Berejiklian, Andrew Constance, Brad Hazzard and Jillian Skinner mentioned around the place.

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Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

[The next Premier of NSW will be illegitimate.]
Of course. It will be a Lib and we all know they are all b’tards.

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

Showson
Little furry animals are more important than humans. Humans are big enough and ugly enough to take care of themselves.
Against us the little furries have no hope.

ShowsOn
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[Even if such claims were substantially correct, which they aren’t, that wouldn’t make us corrupt, but merely mistaken or inconsistent. One can misunderstand the world in good faith.]
No, it makes the Greens corrupt, stupid, idiotic, moronic and demonstrates how they are controlled by irrational nutters who seem to think that little furry animals are more important than humans.

ShowsOn
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When will Chrissy Pyne hold a press conference to say that the new Premier of NSW is illegitimate?

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

BTW
Where is Mod Lib, Everything et al?

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

Victoria,
who wants a new thread?
I am enjoying this one too much. 😆

DisplayName
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Fran and zoom, I think you’re reaching a bit. I know people whose socialising policy results in responses that might be considered exaggerated.

Fran Barlow
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SO

[The Greens are extremely corrupt because they accept the science of climate change but reject the science that shows that a great deal of world hunger could be solved using GM foods. And reject the science and economics that nuclear energy is the lowest cost low carbon source of electricity.]

Even if such claims were substantially correct, which they aren’t, that wouldn’t make us corrupt, but merely mistaken or inconsistent. One can misunderstand the world in good faith.

Fran Barlow
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mimhoff
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BOF is now the fourth consecutive NSW Premier to not enjoy a State of Origin victory.

mimhoff
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BOF is now the fourth consecutive NSW Premier to not enjoy a State of Origin victory.

cud chewer
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The 2013 NSW Premiership?

Yep, that was an excellent vintage.

*duck*

ShowsOn
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I hope everyone realises that the new NSW Premier will be illegitimate.

ShowsOn
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[We Greens aren’t even a little bit corrupt. While I’d like to say that this entirely reflected our political and cultural integrity, it helps a great deal that the spivs of the world see us as offering them nothing tradable.]
The Greens are extremely corrupt because they accept the science of climate change but reject the science that shows that a great deal of world hunger could be solved using GM foods. And reject the science and economics that nuclear energy is the lowest cost low carbon source of electricity.

Fran Barlow
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Equally Zoomster, would you address a person you hardly knew by their given name, and sign with a familiar diminutive?

I wouldn’t.

victoria
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zoomster
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Getting back to that underlined ‘all’… It’s been suggested that it’s just a sort of courtesy thing… a ‘thank you for your support over the years’ line. Which is how I first read it – no big deal. But then – hang on – this is someone Barry said he hardly knew. I can imagine thanking someone for ‘all’ their support if they were someone I knew had always been there, pitching in, who’d (say) rang me occasionally when things were looking grim and told me to keep soldiering on, etc. Or I might thank someone for ‘all’ their support… Read more »
confessions
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Looks like there’ll be no ballot and Baird will be the next premier.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mike-baird-set-to-be-next-nsw-premier-20140417-36ssb.html

victoria
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Socrates
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Jackol OK I should not have said corrupt for Meg Lees, but she certainly abused her position for her own preferences and personal benefit. I was in the democrats when the GST deal was done. It was supposed to be in exchange for a business tax review, which Howard parked but true blue Meg ignored; she never said a word of complaint. Meanwhile when she left the party but stayed in parliament she broke both party rules and her own word. The rule was she should have resigned, as other Dem senators had done before her, but she preferred to… Read more »
shellbell
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Jackol

Precisely.

ICAC will be as disappointed as the next person with the events of the past few days.

They want the bad guys – this is an opportunity for ICAC critics to say it us a failure.

Of course it is not.

What is now clear is that ICAC is alone in its pursuit surrounded by politicians who are best equivocal.

The new premier should stand up and support ICAC and announce a review of dealings with lobbyists and hopefully that Michael Photios and his ilk have been shown the door.

I won’t hold my breath.

Fran Barlow
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Jackol

[If O’Farrell had taken a more cautious approach to ICAC and the media on Tuesday, his political career wouldn’t have been over on Wednesday.]

I’m not so sure. Even if the bottle of Grange really was the alpha and omega of this, BOF was tainted irreparably. It would have taken longer, but sooner or later, he’d have begun dragging down the regime as every other deal was reassessed in that light. There would have been quite a few backbenchers worried they’d become collateral damage if a move weren’t made.

Fran Barlow
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Jackol

If Meg Lees’s dealings were corrupt, we will need a new descriptor for Harradine’s porkbarrelling.

Fran Barlow
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Pom

[Even with all the political back lash I think the libs will still make a valiant effort to get BOF to reconsider]

I certainly hope so.

Jackol
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Socrates –

As Meg Lees demonstrated

I fail to see how Meg Lees deserves to get mentioned in a post about corruption (and corruption in NSW specifically).

There’s no suggestion that Meg Lees acted corruptly.

That various people didn’t like Meg Lees negotiating the Democrats’ Senate votes doesn’t make the bargain she struck “corrupt”, so I don’t see how it’s useful to include Meg Lees in a discussion as an example of wielding power improperly or whatever.

pom
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Even with all the political back lash I think the libs will still make a valiant effort to get BOF to reconcider

Socrates
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NSW voters have been grappling with the question of who is least corrupt for over twenty years. The Greens have not had the opportunity to become corrupt. As Meg Lees demonstrated, the real test of who will sell out only comes when you have power to sell. There are people in every party who will fail the test (the 80/20 rule seems reversed in NSW). The real question is whether it is exposed and if the corrupt are removed quickly. That is the test of good governance. That being said, I agree there must be more to BOF resigning than… Read more »
Jackol
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Hartcher’s nonsense: And instead the ICAC got the wrong man. NSW needs a dedicated and competent anti-corruption body, but the ICAC has set back its own cause by seeming diverted by trivial pursuit when it should be uprooting serious corruption. Totally ignoring, as McClymont pointed out, that ICAC didn’t get O’Farrell – O’Farrell got O’Farrell. If O’Farrell had taken a more cautious approach to ICAC and the media on Tuesday, his political career wouldn’t have been over on Wednesday. ICAC wasn’t looking at O’Farrell, and ICAC didn’t ‘get’ O’Farrell. This Liberal party ‘fear and anger’ lashing out at ICAC is… Read more »
Fran Barlow
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Rossmore [The sad choice for NSW electors is which party is least corrupt?] Finding out which party is least corrupt is something currently of interest to a lot less than half the voters, IMO. AIUI about 60% always vote for one of the major parties. We Greens aren’t even a little bit corrupt. While I’d like to say that this entirely reflected our political and cultural integrity, it helps a great deal that the spivs of the world see us as offering them nothing tradable. If we ever do get within spitting distance of office in a major jurisdiction, we… Read more »
shellbell
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Kate McClymont is having a couple of bumper years

Fran Barlow
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Psephos

[My only comment on this is that any politician stupid enough to accept a $3000 bottle of wine from anybody, on any pretext, under any circumstances, deserves all they get.]

I now seriously doubt that the bottle of wine lie is the last we will hear of BOF’s malfeasance.

Psephos
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My only comment on this is that any politician stupid enough to accept a $3000 bottle of wine from anybody, on any pretext, under any circumstances, deserves all they get.

B.C.
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Funnily enough at the start of March many people were predicting that we would shortly have two new Liberal Premiers. Indeed the Liberals were almost boasting about it. It looks like their wish did come through after all.

cud chewer
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I’d go for Gladys but she is actually a good transport minister and I’d hate to see her replaced.

Fran Barlow
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dwh [Fran he is not likely to say much now for fear of any potential perjury charges. It will all be “I can’t recall” from now on. He has paid the political price but I’m sure his legal advice will be not to pay a more personal price.] That will be a fitting end for him. He came in promising high standards and that he wouldn’t let the voters down. Even today, he said lying to ICAC would be against everything he stood for. Well we will see. Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue. I recall seeing BOF… Read more »
deblonay
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684 post…should have read ” appear to have changed sides “

zoidlord
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@Davidwh/674

There needs to be more than that, AWH is being used to fund the Liberal Party.

NSW Liberals need a total revamp (and perhaps Federally) of their polices of where and who can receive funding and it’s associated companies, clients etc.

deblonay
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The BBC is reporting that in the Eastern Ukraine soldiers in armoured Ukrainian vehicles appears to have changed and are now flying the Russian flag after being urged not to shoot by the locals

This article and pics shows the events
This might confirm the stories that the Ukrainian soldiers are loathe to accept the orders of the Kiev regime

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27045534#

Just Me
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Almost never watch Lateline or Henderson, but had a look tonight.

What a disaster for Henderson. Simply had no defence against reality at all, and had to eat a king-size shit sandwich. Looked absolutely crushed. A real Willy Loman moment.

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

Henderson was getting really personal with his attack on McClyntoch, and he never let her finish her statements. Watch it with the sound turned down the same with the Abbott presser where he thugged that female reporter today.

Watch the body language (with no sound) especially Abbott’s. It is quite disturbing.

Rossmore
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The. Sad choice for NSW electors is which party is least corrupt?

davidwh
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Fran he is not likely to say much now for fear of any potential perjury charges. It will all be “I can’t recall” from now on. He has paid the political price but I’m sure his legal advice will be not to pay a more personal price.

zoidlord
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Retweeted by Josh Taylor
Tim Christodoulou ‏@tim_chr 2m

ICYMI: NSW LNP to elect new leader tomorrow, not next week. Baird hampered by relationship with Di Girolamo. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mike-baird-gladys-berejiklian-urged-to-put-up-hands-for-top-job-20140416-36s99.html … #nswpol

Fran Barlow
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Yesterday, BOF said he’d recall a $3k bottle of wine. Today, even when his handwritten not alluding to it was produced, it didn’t, according to him, jog his memory.

These two claims can’t both be true. I’d like BOF to specify which is true. If he is now saying that he can hand write thank-you notes without recalling either the cause of the thank you or writing the note then he’s conceding that there may be other gifts he has received that he can’t recall and that are not on his register of Pecuniary Interest.

Tom the first and best
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Tom the first and best

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Griener does not understand the definition of lying. Lying is saying something you know to be false. O`Farrel still says he does not remember. Griener said O`Farrel lied but did not mean to.

deblonay
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Gerard Hendersom He seemed almost out of control on Lateline and quite menacing to the Journo/ woman from the SMH Not too happy with the ICAC and it’s works,and obviously grieving for his buddy O’Farrell….≥ who is almost a saint if you believe Henderson…who should know about saints… because of his early work for Santamaria…being a senior member of the National Civic Council for years ,until he joined Howard’s staff…but he is of course VERY,VERY impartial despite all that ! Great stuff and she/ McClymont…was very calm and stood up under his passionate /agressive statements….as he pushed acrosas to her….They… Read more »
guytaur
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Goodnight

davidwh
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There is nothing wrong with receiving the gift. Neglecting to declare the gift is problematic but not terminal. The big problems are the association between AWH and the gift and the failure to tell the truth to ICAC in the first instance. Any association with AWH and Obeid will have political implications regardless of whether there is anything improper or not in the association. That’s the result of the revelations from ICAC. The way to deal with this is to have very clear rules in relation to lobbying, access to government ministers, political donations and gifts. Currently things are just… Read more »
guytaur
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@bevanshields85: You may have missed this: vote to elect a new NSW premier (6th in 9 years) will be held 3pm tomorrow, not next week http://t.co/Jfqhn4AvzY

Wakefield
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Even Griener was happy to say BOF lied.

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