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Federal Politics 2013-

May 13, 2014

Essential Research: 52-48 to Labor

The latest Essential Research result finds little change on voting behaviour, while the monthly leadership ratings are the first from any pollster to show Bill Shorten leading Tony Abbott as preferred prime minister.

The latest weekly result from Essential Research, a rolling average of polling conducted over the past fortnight, shows little change on last week with Labor up a point on the primary vote to 39% and the Greens down one to 9%, while the Coalition and Palmer United are steady on 40% and 5% and Labor’s two-party preferred lead is unchanged at 52-48. The poll also includes the monthly personal ratings, which are the first such results from any pollster showing Bill Shorten leading Tony Abbott on preferred prime minister, the latter’s lead of 42-32 last month crashing to a deficit of 37-36. This is down to a slump in Abbott’s ratings, his approval down six to 35% and disapproval up eight to 55%, with Shorten’s ratings little changed at 35% approval (up one) and 37% disapproval (down one).

In other questions, the poll comprehensively gauged opinion the Commission of Audit’s recommendations, of which three have a positive net approval: university students repaying HELP debt once they earn minimum wage, relocation by unemployed young people to areas of high unemployment to retain access to benefits, and Youth Allowance rather than Newstart for those under 25. The least popular measures were raising the retirement age and increasing interest rates on HELP debts. Respondents thought the Coalition heavily favoured the rich (54%) over the poor (5%) and the average Australian (22%), while tending to place Labor in the middle, with 34% for the average Australian, 16% for the rich and 22% for the poor. The poll found broad awareness that Australia’s national debt was lower than other developed countries (45% believing it lower, 22% higher), and a belief that large companies and high-income earners paid too little tax and small businesses and low-income earners too much.

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Arrnea Stormbringer
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Psephos, if you’ve a problem with your own words being used against you, I suggest you stop talking.

Otiose
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Nett_NEWS++™ @ http://bit.ly/1aQcqOy #Budget2014, Disability Dance by @rowe_david © http://bit.ly/1sOdU5O

Psephos
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[He explicitly said that Labor should let this travesty pass to teach the public a lesson about voting without using their brains.

Nevermind that the poor and unemployed will die as a direct result of these policies securing passage.]

Yes indeedy, I want them all to die. Bwahhahaha etc etc.

Arrnea Stormbringer
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Looks like the next BludgerTrack is on the cards.

Arrnea Stormbringer
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@ fredex 2289

I wasn’t saying that you specifically had said Morgan was biased, just that there is much talk of this being the case (and perhaps a statistical case to made that such a bias exists).

fredex
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I’m guessing, I said so a day or so ago, 1-2% extra for the ALP 2PP for each of the pollsters, more or less across the board.
So Newspoll about 55%.

PS I don’t ‘insist’ Morgan is biased, I just take each of the pollsters with a sprinkle of salt.

Arrnea Stormbringer
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As for the next federal voting intention poll – if it’s taken entirely after today, then it will show Labor on at least 56.

Arrnea Stormbringer
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@ fredex 2286

Given the huge majority results, the finding is statistically significant no matter how much you insist Morgan has a bias.

I would have liked to have seen a further breakdown between people who thought the Budget would harm their bottom line and those who thought it would make no difference, however (in the given results, both of these would be recorded as “no, the Budget did not benefit me”).

fredex
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I’ve had a closer look at the Morgan Poll results on the reactions to the budget. Very interesting. Firstly the rate of negative reaction to the budget for COALition voters is very high at 72% pre-budget and 76% post budget. I wonder how many, if any, will change parties? Secondly, the number of people overall who think they will NOT benefit from the COALition budget is a very high majority, probably around 85% [it’s a bit hard to collate %s without knowing the party base numbers]. So the fear generated pre budget changed only very little after the event and… Read more »
Arrnea Stormbringer
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I want the people of Australia to learn to understand and appreciate their political decisions too, but Psephos’ suggestion is just callous, petty and reckless.

Arrnea Stormbringer
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@ zoidlord 2283

He explicitly said that Labor should let this travesty pass to teach the public a lesson about voting without using their brains.

Nevermind that the poor and unemployed will die as a direct result of these policies securing passage.

zoidlord
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@AS/2282

He would, Psephos is that of that of the right, the same right, where Coalition Party are in power.

Arrnea Stormbringer
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@ Psephos 2280

I’m sorry, but as you want the vulnerable of the public to suffer and die to win an argument, your opinion is hilarious invalid.

zoidlord
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@Psephos

Cosgrove or no Cosgrove, cannot ignore the public.

Psephos
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[The last fed opposition to block supply won in a landslide. Just sayin’.]

Only because the Governor-General dismissed the government. Do you seriously think Cosgrove is going to sack Abbott? If Kerr had not acted, Fraser would have had to back down. (That’s WHY Kerr acted.)

As soon as Labor says it will vote to block supply, reversing nearly 40 years of Labor policy, THAT will become the issue, not the content of the budget.

Arrnea Stormbringer
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@ ShowsOn 2278

A caretaker government, however, formed on the condition that it would immediately call for a double dissolution election.

ShowsOn
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[The last fed opposition to block supply won in a landslide. Just sayin’.]
The Coalition was the government at that election.

Norwester
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The last fed opposition to block supply won in a landslide. Just sayin’.

zoidlord
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New Zealand also showing signs of Falling Housing Demands, but prices are holding:

http://www.propertywire.com/news/australasia/new-zealand-property-index-201405139118.html

“There were 5,670 sales last month, down 20.2% on April last year and down 22.5% compared to March while the national median price was $432,250, an increase of $41,750 compared to April 2013, but a fall of $7,750 from March. “

Tom the first and best
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Tom the first and best

2272

That is virtually the same article that is in today`s Guardian.

Pilger treats everything the USA does and has done since 1945 as evil and anyone who opposes it as good. This is not the reality. The USA has done a lot of bad things, however the Russians are worse than the USA. The USA`s commitment to human rights has varied, from bad to okay, over the years. The Russians have consistently not cared about human rights.

zoidlord
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I think there will be another GFC before another war.

ShowsOn
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[John Pilger says…
“Break the Silence…A world war is beckoning”]
Is John Pilger every right about anything?

deblonay
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John Pilger says…
“Break the Silence…A world war is beckoning”
__________
Noting that the US has bombed 30 countries since WW2,and that it’s policies in Central Europe threaten war with Russia…Pilger sees the possibility of a US sparked World War

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-140514.html

briefly
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see y’all

Dan Gulberry
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[It will take a lot of work to convince voters that is not the case and that the Coalition is destroying the social fabric of the country.]

The voters are already getting a glimpse of that with the release of the fudget (not a mis-spelling).

Once people stop listening to Abbott, as they are starting to do, he’s toast. No amount of Murdoch campaigning, spin, lies, or pork barrelling is going to change their minds.

The next set of polls are going to shape the next two and a bit years.

briefly
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[2265
ShowsOn

It looks like Hockey’s budget gamble is already in trouble…

Giving the RBA $9 billion looks like a bad move too, because today the AUD$ passed US$0.94.]

The $9 bill was done to make the deficit look worse than it was…another deceit that has cost the taxpayer…

briefly
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[2262
ShowsOn
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. There is an insane amount of work to do to ensure that.

We already know what the Coalition’s election campaign will be. They will say if you vote Labor you will be voting for more debt and deficit.

It will take a lot of work to convince voters that is not the case and that the Coalition is destroying the social fabric of the country.]

Sure, but the LNP have done more to bring about their electoral defeat in the last few weeks than Labor might have managed in 5 years.

zoidlord
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The graph actually tells the whole story, It goes to the very low pre-2007 GFC levels.

zoidlord
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@2263

The graph is pretty telling.

ShowsOn
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[It looks like Hockey’s budget gamble is already in trouble…]
Giving the RBA $9 billion looks like a bad move too, because today the AUD$ passed US$0.94.

briefly
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[2259
imacca]

As above, Supply bills may only deal with Supply, tax bills with tax measures, excise bills with excise measures…etc.

briefly
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[http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/05/this-time-chinese-property-will-bust/

Late yesterday China released its April economic data and the tale it tells of the property sector is of concern. New starts contracted 15% year on year (vs. -21.9% in March), property sales fell 14.3% year on year (vs. -7.5% in March); and land sales fell 20.5% year on year (vs. -16.9% in March).]

Hockey’s budget is partly a bet on strong net export growth, in turn a bet on iron ore and coal sales to China. The China steel industry is heavily reliant on the construction industry – especially housing.

It looks like Hockey’s budget gamble is already in trouble…

ShowsOn
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[Having just seen Vilma and Laurie Oakes, and the general reception of this disastrous budget shambles (dishonest, nasty), Im calling it now…

ONE TERM.]
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. There is an insane amount of work to do to ensure that.

We already know what the Coalition’s election campaign will be. They will say if you vote Labor you will be voting for more debt and deficit.

It will take a lot of work to convince voters that is not the case and that the Coalition is destroying the social fabric of the country.

lefty e
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Having just seen Vilma and Laurie Oakes, and the general reception of this disastrous budget shambles (dishonest, nasty), Im calling it now…

ONE TERM.

Not even including the word “Tony”, as he’d be lucky to do quite that well.

zoidlord
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http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/05/government-officially-implementing-idiotic-cyber-commissioner/

“he government confirmed as part of the 2014-15 Federal Budget that the Children’s e-Safety Commissioner would be established from next year.”

“The role of the government’s new Net Nanny would be to develop a system whereby bullying material “targeted at Australian children” would be taken down quickly from sites like Facebook, Google+ and Twitter.”

I thought they were ok with everyone being a bigot?

imacca
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Negotiating all of the budget measures through the Senate will not happen. PPL wont.

However, will be interesting to see how things are structured. Does anyone know whats going to be so embedded that it can only be stopped by blocking supply, and what can be dealt with individually out of the nasties in this budget??

briefly
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[2252 Tom the first and best 2249 The House can send legislation to the Senate, and if it is twice rejected (there is not much of an issue, except with regulation disallowal, if the Senate does not twice reject legislation), a DD can be called.] Sure, but in this case the House must also go to an election. Senators have a good deal more power than MHR’s. They have to use it carefully or they will undermine the role of the House and the whole thing may come undone. This was the force behind Gough’s argument. It was valid in… Read more »
Bushfire Bill
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Christ! Simon Benson has been eating his Wheeties, re the Pinl Batts RoyalCommission… [TRUTH IS A CASUALTY OF DUMB STRATEGY Simon Benson comment THE royal commission into the pink batts disaster has turned into a North Korean show trial. The image of a former prime minister in a witness box was bad enough. The fact he was banned from telling the entire sordid story of a bungled policy that killed four people was a disgrace. The Abbott government is as culpable now as is Labor, for denying families the truth. It broke a century of tradition by releasing confidential cabinet… Read more »
zoidlord
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http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/14/turnbull-taints-budget-nbn-cost-lie/

“It’s absolutely outrageous that Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has subverted the Federal Budget process to broadcast severely misleading statements regarding the National Broadband Network’s financials.”

“With this in mind, Australians are very entitled to ask: Why is the Coalition not focusing on the option that would deliver us significantly better value for money? Why buy a second-hand 1979 Toyota Corolla when we could get a Tesla Model S for only a little bit more, and only a little later? Seems like basic common sense to me.”

mimhoff
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Tom@2252

A DD is a different thing, though. It is one of many options the PM has if they cannot get their legislation passed.

Blocking supply means a government such as this one, which undoubtedly won a House majority last time, cannot function. Also, the current Senate is that fromthe 2007 and 2010 elections… the Senate from this election has not been sworn in yet.

briefly
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[2250
Tom the first and best

The current is government toxic.]

Sure they are. They are reprehensible. And the way they’re going they have poisoned their own well. They look very vulnerable. Their bills will be rejected…and then what? What does this Government mean then? They will have to spend 2 desultory years waiting to be thrashed, unable to enact their program of deceit, destruction and division.

They have to win now…and they face almost certain defeat. A largely self-inflicted defeat. If Abbott and Hockey are unable to get this budget through the Parliament, the LNP will probably dump them both.

zoidlord
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Tom the first and best
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Tom the first and best

2249

The House can send legislation to the Senate, and if it is twice rejected (there is not much of an issue, except with regulation disallowal, if the Senate does not twice reject legislation), a DD can be called.

zoidlord
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@Briefly/2249

It does not matter, a breakdown in Government is what needed to wake up the Government.

Coalition Senators tried to shut down NBN Committee is another example.

At what price are you willing to ‘defend them’?

Tom the first and best
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Tom the first and best

2248

The current is government toxic.

briefly
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[2244 zoidlord @Briefly/2243 You are again thinking that it can be defeated in the offensive parts. The thing is, some things have already happened, like the National Broadband Network being chopping into a MTM, The Disability Commissioner, and so forth.] These things are serious, but they are not the equivalent of a breakdown in government or a crisis that could only be resolved by sending the House to an election. Think of it. The power to refuse Supply enables the Senate to send the House to an election. The House has no such power in relation to the Senate. Such… Read more »
briefly
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[2233
zoidlord

@Briefly/2229

You are being too easy on Abbott, by then the economy will be in worse shape than it is, there is no time to be relaxing.]

I’m not being “too easy” on Abbott at all. I just recall the bitterness that engulfed the nation in 1975. It took many years for the division to heal. What Fraser and Withers did in 1975 was terribly toxic for the country, for political life and Government in general. We should not go there unless there is really absolutely no other way to resolve a real crisis.

zoidlord
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This is a must watch, Senator Conroy destroys Malcolm Turnbull:

Kenneth Tsang (MyNBN) uploaded the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqeHXxaIgIc&feature=youtu.be

Norwester
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