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Federal Politics 2013-

Jul 10, 2014

BludgerTrack: 53.2-46.8 to Labor

The publication of Newspoll's quarterly aggregates have caused a few adjustments at state level, but it's otherwise a very quiet week for the BludgerTrack poll aggregate.

A pretty dull week for the BludgerTrack poll aggregate, with the only new data point on national voting intention being the weekly Essential Research result, and that being bang on the existing trend and hence of negligible consequence for the total result. However, we did get the quarterly state breakdowns from Newspoll, which is always a big deal as far as BludgerTrack is concerned as it fills a major missing piece in the overall polling puzzle. This results in Labor gaining two seats on the seat projection in Queensland plus one in Western Australia, while losing one apiece in Victoria and South Australia (the shift in Victoria reflecting an ongoing moderation after a quirky result in the state breakdown from Nielsen a few weeks ago). There will be a lot more to come on the innards of BludgerTrack’s state breakdowns over coming days, particularly if you’re a Crikey subscriber. Essential Research published its monthly leadership ratings this week, so Tony Abbott and Bill Shorten’s numbers on the sidebar are updated accordingly. As you can see, nothing too radical happened here either, although Abbott’s and Shorten’s approval ratings were both slightly above par.

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Otiose
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Nett_NEWS++™ by @Otiose94 http://bit.ly/1nAtjp1 #Senate, #abbott, Headless Chook, by @moir_alan © http://bit.ly/1mGGrZs

imacca
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[ then perhaps you can quote me saying that indiscriminately dropping bombs on civilian population centres is mere manslaughter? ]

Except that the the bombs are not indiscriminate. They seem to be very tightly targeted.

And there are still civilians being killed.

At some point the Israelis are going to twig that bombing / shelling / invading Gaza just helps the people who REALLY hate them with recruitment. In terms of stopping terrorism its been shown that it just doesn’t work.

Bugler
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WarrenPeace @1183,

I always wondered what it would be like to be right there while history happens… at least you were caught up in what I guess we could say was a positive moment and not a piece of history we’d rather didn’t happen.

Bugler
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WarrenPeace,

Thanks for your contribution 🙂 It’s been good for the students and community here (doesn’t always get a good reaction, I recall some French students we hosted being horrified at the idea of keeping reptiles). I’m merely an ex-student but will run the idea past someone when I’m there next Sunday helping with the Production. I heard about this from a friend who after year 12 was employed by the school to assist with keeping the reptile room (news of the fire itself spread pretty quickly).

bemused
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WeWantPaul
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[WWP

Oh cool, then perhaps you can quote me saying that indiscriminately dropping bombs on civilian population centres is mere manslaughter? I don’t recall posting that here, but as you claim not to have caricatured my position then feel free to quote it.

I’ll be waiting.]

Well your whole intent manslaughter thing? What exactly was your position? I must be mistaken but I thought it was trying to suggest somehow that killing zero people was as culpable as killing 80ish because those that haven’t killed anyone might have wanted to kill more.

absolutetwaddle
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WWP

Oh cool, then perhaps you can quote me saying that indiscriminately dropping bombs on civilian population centres is mere manslaughter? I don’t recall posting that here, but as you claim not to have caricatured my position then feel free to quote it.

I’ll be waiting.

WeWantPaul
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[If you’re just to go ahead and caricature my position no matter how reasonably I respond to you, then I won’t bother replying any more.]

Really given your position you would be better off not responding. I’m not sure how you would say that was a caricature?

absolutetwaddle
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My girlfriend is a fully-qualified registered nurse who is not an Australian permanent resident. She looked high and low for graduate nursing positions after she completed her degree here with no luck whatsoever – all the positions were very rapidly filled by Australian citizens who of course get first preference. We’re in the process of getting her a partner visa, if it’s granted then she’ll find it much easier to find work.

So if anyone’s operating under the assumption it’s easy to get a nursing job under the 457 scheme they’re sorely mistaken. Other industries I can’t speak to.

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

I meant where it takes decades of training and experience to gain competency.

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

457 visas should be stopped immediately. If there are not enough trained workers for an industry, they can go without for failing to train their workforce or to support education and training of local workers in the skills they need. The only exception should be in areas such as high end specialties where training and experience takes years to gain competency.

cud chewer
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I think Shorten is very happy to let Clive roll in and flatten everything in sight. Whatever happens, Shorten can either blame Abbott or Clive 🙂

deblonay
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Carnival Time in the ACT ______________ The Senate schomozzle will not improve Abott is a bully with no skills in negotiating anything…a under-graduate bover-boy,who had great skill in thugish Uni politics which he played and in some ways still adopts…but what went well at Sydney Uni SRC in the 70ies won’t work in the Senate,,,this is the Big League His hard line LOTO days didn’t prepare him for this mess Palmer is a Qland showman extraordinaire…a graduate of the JOH School of tactical disharmony and a populist in the old Qland tradition which gave us Pauline Hanson…he is having the… Read more »
Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

Murder involves intent. Manslaughter is death that is not intended, but has occurred because of the actions of the accused. That is my lay understanding of the difference.

absolutetwaddle
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WeWantPaul

“LoL so dropping hundreds of bombs on a civilian population is manslaugther? You have had way too much koolaid.”

If you’re just to go ahead and caricature my position no matter how reasonably I respond to you, then I won’t bother replying any more.

WeWantPaul
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[But would the people firing them rejoice if they hit a school, hospital, seminary or even a departing civilian airliner? I think the answer’s obvious.]

LoL so dropping hundreds of bombs on a civilian population is manslaugther? You have had way too much koolaid.

WarrenPeace
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Considering we are in the eye of the storm, between last weeks Senate sitting and next weeks sitting of both houses Poll bludger has been a good read today, well done all and good night.

bemused
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victoria@1220

bemused

Jon Faine has been talking about 457visas frequently of late. He believes that there needs fo be a full review of system

Anyhoo night all

Yes, and good on him.

I emailed him some material produced by the Australian Computer Society.

I believe the 457 system should be simply shut down.

If we cannot train enough of our own people for the workforce, then we should admit skilled migrants through normal migration processes.

absolutetwaddle
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WeWantPaul

No one’s asking that question. Perhaps you mean to ask is if manslaughter is worse than attempted murder? From most ethical perspectives that take intention into account, the answer is a definite no. Attempted murder is a specific and fully-formed intent and set of actions with a view to killing a specific person or persons whereas manslaughter can happen through mere negligence.

One has more moral weight than the other, from my view.

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