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Essential Research: 52-48 to Labor

Bill Shorten's personal ratings take a hit in Essential's latest poll, while Galaxy charts One Nation's ongoing progress in Queensland.

The Essential Research fortnight rolling average moves a point back to the Coalition for the second week in a row, reducing Labor’s lead to 52-48. Labor is down two points on the primary vote to 35%, with the Coalition steady on 36%, One Nation steady on 10% and the Greens up a point to 9%. The monthly leaders ratings find Bill Shorten taking a big hit, down seven points on approval to 30% and up three on disapproval to 47%, and Malcolm Turnbull a smaller one, down three on approval to 34% and up one on disapproval to 49%. Turnbull’s lead as preferred prime minister is out from 39-28 last month to 39-25.

The survey also asked respondents if they would be likely to vote for Cory Bernardi’s Conservative Party, to which 14% said yes – which, as is always the case when questions like this are asked, is well above the party’s plausible vote share. Sixty-two per cent say they would be unlikely to, which is on the high side as these things go. The poll also has 17% saying Bernardi’s defection is good for the Liberal Party, 26% bad, 29% neither, and 28% don’t know. As of next week, the Essential Research poll will be published in conjunction with The Guardian.

We’ve also had federal voting intention results from the weekend’s Queensland poll by Galaxy for the Courier-Mail, which has One Nation on 18% (up six since November), the Coalition on 35% (down four), Labor on 29% (down one) and the Greens on 8% (steady), with the Coalition down a point on two-party preferred to lead 51-49. The poll was conducted last Wednesday and Thursday from a sample of 867.

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Socrates
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Afternoon all. I saw this article on a quite absurd statement by SA opposition transport spokesperson David Personi that new trams being ordered for Adelaide were “old technology” and at an “inflated price”.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-19/old-trams-considered-at-inflated-prices-in-sa/8283970
FFS! Minister Mullighan probably does not need me to point out all of the many things wrong with this statement, but here are a few for starters:
– the trams being bought are state of the art, with upgraded air con for our summer (essential) and regenerative breaking similar to a hybrid car. They are the same as what you would see Alstom supplying in Paris or Bordeaux now.
– by matching the existing fleet there is no increase in maintenance costs or spare parts inventory that has to be carried.
– you cannot compare one off purchase prices in isolation. The NSW and ACT tram prices Personi quotes are part of much larger contracts that include sums for entire new depots with spare parts inventories etc. Wwhereas these prices include all of that with the tram puchase.

In short, Personi’s criticism is rubbish. The thing to criticise would have been if they were extending the tram line and hadn’t ordered more trams. But they have.

Puff, the Magic Dragon.
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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

who is Pamela Anderson?

grimace
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don @ #1948 Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 5:47 am The savings don’t stack up for the Zcell as far as I can see. Let’s suppose it lasts for an optimistic 15 years and there are no disposal costs. That’s $1200 a year. Interest paid (or foregone because you used cash) is (generous estimate, 4% simple interest) over $700. It’s a lot, lot worse if you use a more realistic compound interest formula. So call it $2000 (probably a lot more) you have to save each year on the use of the battery, just to break even. Not for me. Batteries don’t stack up financially on any battery at the moment unless you are talking about a massive purchase (as we were) or you are using them to displace diesel. One of my points was that total cost of ownership / life cycle cost has been completely disregarded in the discussion about lithium batteries. I did the total cost of ownership costings (life cycle cost) across a number of battery products and Redflow came out the best by a fair way, and a big difference was the disposal and replacement cost at the end of its life. Replacing the stack on a flow battery is a lot easier than replacing the batteries on most lithium products, and the old stack can be put in a normal rubbish bin, or recycled using established commercially available processes in Australia. The cost you quoted for the system is the total cost, including the battery compatible inverter & suitable BMS, which is another cost that often gets missed when talking about batteries. For Redflow, an inverter which could deal with 100% depth of discharge was a bit of a complication in their development process. For our purposes, degredation of the battery over its useful working life was a significant issue and impacted upon the financial return of the project. We also looked at the actual performance of lithium batteries in existing installations and their performance fell significantly short of the claims that are being made about their performance at the moment. Mini cycles and excessive depth of discharge are killers to the cycle life of lithium ion batteries. There was talk of this problem being overcome, however we couldn’t get anyone to put a Service Level Agreement behind their claims. Redflow on the other hand were prepared to put a SLA behind their performance… Read more »
TPOF
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psyclaw @ #1943 Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 1:14 am A R @ 11.07pm “I too though it was strange that body-/slut-shaming Pam Anderson seems to be in-bounds. Particularly amongst a group that had an extended debate about whether or not it was okay to call a known drug-cheat a drug-cheat, on the basis that having the label (accurately) applied to them could cause psychological distress.” Yes A R. Tonight C@t, Confessions, and Zoomster once again were in accord to ward off any challenge to any one of them. No-one here should be misogynous, they have argued for years ……regularly as clockwork when it comes up every 6 weeks or so. I have no interest in them personally …. they are only pixels representing alphabetical shapes on my screen. But over the years of posting and lurking here I have developed an aversion to hypocrisy and will call it. Nowadays I usually wait a day or so to allow time for those who have often strongly promoted a particular point of view, to point out when that point of view is again totally dissed. However I have discovered that whether or not there is a challenge depends on which poster has dissed the original point of view …. this hypocrisy I then point out. The response is to attack me …. snark, troll, superiority complex, stalker etc, and to minimise the issue. I will continue to challenge this. I look forward to the creative addition of more titles of abuse to describe me. BTW as most posters and many lurkers know, my posting interests here are far wider than commenting on this type of issue. Like many others, I put time and thought into a number of substantive posts each week …. the most recent area being my descriptions of, and opinions about the child abuse RC. And also as many lurkers and posters will have observed, I do not engage in personal abuse despite receiving it in generous proportions. Nevertheless I do sleep well each night. Psyclaw I am not one of the people who have made any comment on Pamela Anderson. I have never had much interest in her, but to the extent that I am aware of her, she seems to me to be in the public arena solely because of the play she has made of her ‘assets’. In those circumstances, it is hardly misogynistic to… Read more »
lizzie
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If given a choice between subsidising crap jobs and giving people money to go off and surf all day then I would opt for the latter every time.

Bravo! Although surfing wouldn’t be my choice. There was once optimism that technology would give us all more leisure time and shorter working hours. It was not expected that the employed would be working many more hours, and there would be higher unemployment.

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Steve777
Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 11:56 pm
Driverless trains means trainless drivers. And the only elite that counts gets all the benefits then wants to screw the trainless drivers. They want to keep all the benefits although they have no entitlement to do so.

Technology advances, maybe lots of us no longer need to work 40 hours a week, especially in menial jobs. Like the early industrial revolution, those running the show want to keep all the benefits of the replacing menial labor with technology.

The Luddites were on the right path in smashing the machines when they were deprived of their livelihood. The industrial revolution held nothing fir them. And in Scotland’s Highland Clearences, the crofters should have burned down the laird’s manor house before he burned their cottages.

That is a very good argument for a living wage.

If given a choice between subsidising crap jobs and giving people money to go off and surf all day then I would opt for the latter every time. Especially since it also allows us all to enjoy technological progress.

I’m also busting for a driver-less car. Can’t wait. Force everyone to network the cars and you won’t need traffic lights, or traffic lanes. In a large part congestion is caused by the fact that all human drivers are selfish, angry, and a bee’s dick (stuff all) as good as they think they are.

don
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The savings don’t stack up for the Zcell as far as I can see.

Let’s suppose it lasts for an optimistic 15 years and there are no disposal costs.
That’s $1200 a year.

Interest paid (or foregone because you used cash) is (generous estimate, 4% simple interest) over $700. It’s a lot, lot worse if you use a more realistic compound interest formula.

So call it $2000 (probably a lot more) you have to save each year on the use of the battery, just to break even.

Not for me.

don
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But it is pricey. You’d have to be in the situation of really, really needing battery storage.

The 10kWh ZCell will sell for between $17,500 and $19,500, pricey by comparison with its competitors. But Redflow says its ability to discharge 100 per cent of its power, and its longer life, and its greater size, means that its delivered cost of energy will match its rivals.Mar 30, 2016

don
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A very good article about the good and bad things about the redflow zinc bromide zcell. Some quotes: It has a 10 kilowatt-hour usable storage capacity, can provide 3 kilowatts of continuous power, and is suitable for on-grid and off-grid use. The chemistry of the ZCell battery is very interesting. It is, at its heart, a reversible electroplating machine. When the ZCell is charged, electrical current is sent through the battery which causes zinc to be removed from zinc bromide and electroplated onto plastic electrodes. When the battery is discharged, the opposite happens and zinc is removed from the electrodes and attached to bromine to make zinc bromide and an electrical current is produced. The ZCell battery can be discharged 100% every single day without suffering any harm at all, which is very different from other battery chemistries on the market. In addition it does not decline in storage capacity over time. It starts off with 10 kilowatt-hours on the day its first turned on, and it will have 10 kilowatt-hours on the day it dies. And according to Redflow, for a family that uses it at 80% capacity, that’s likely to be around 14 years later. In comparison, the Tesla Powerwall is a 6.4 kilowatt-hour battery and only 5.44 kilowatt-hours of that is actually warranted to be usable. But after the first 2 years that drops to 4.6 kilowatt-hours. And 3 years later it drops down to only 3.8 kilowatt-hours of warranted storage. So after 5 years it would take 3 Tesla Powerwalls to have the same warranted energy capacity as the ZCell. All components of the ZCell are completely recyclable. One could be pulled apart right now and all the plastic and metal could be fully recycled using currently existing methods. The zinc bromide solution can be cleaned and reused in another ZCell. The ZCell’s Efficiency Is Low The DC to DC roundtrip efficiency of the ZCell battery is around 80%. This means for every kilowatt-hour of electrical energy put into the battery, only 0.8 kilowatt-hours can be taken out. For a zinc bromine battery this is amazingly high. The Redflow company has clearly done a fantastic job of maximizing the efficiency of their ZCell battery. Unfortunately, it is still worse than the efficiency of lithium-ion battery systems. For example, the Tesla Powerwall claims to have an efficiency of 92.5% and the LG Chem RESU 95%. The 80%… Read more »
don
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RRL for those on this blog who are not from Victoria:

The Regional Rail Link project was a multi-billion dollar project that separated metropolitan and regional services through Melbourne’s west. The project built dedicated tracks for the Geelong, Bendigo and Ballarat trains through the metropolitan system from Sunshine to Southern Cross Station.

don
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kayjay @ #1840 Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 9:24 pm

cud chewer @ #1815 Saturday, February 18, 2017 at 8:41 pm

No one here but us cows
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At great expense to the management we bring you, Daisy the cow.
Apropos of absolutely SFA.
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Goodnight all. ❤ ❤

Daisy redux:

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BlindFreddy
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A R @ 11.07pm

“I too though it was strange that body-/slut-shaming Pam Anderson seems to be in-bounds. Particularly amongst a group that had an extended debate about whether or not it was okay to call a known drug-cheat a drug-cheat, on the basis that having the label (accurately) applied to them could cause psychological distress.”

Yes A R.

Tonight C@t, Confessions, and Zoomster once again were in accord to ward off any challenge to any one of them.

No-one here should be misogynous, they have argued for years ……regularly as clockwork when it comes up every 6 weeks or so.

I have no interest in them personally …. they are only pixels representing alphabetical shapes on my screen. But over the years of posting and lurking here I have developed an aversion to hypocrisy and will call it.

Nowadays I usually wait a day or so to allow time for those who have often strongly promoted a particular point of view, to point out when that point of view is again totally dissed. However I have discovered that whether or not there is a challenge depends on which poster has dissed the original point of view …. this hypocrisy I then point out.

The response is to attack me …. snark, troll, superiority complex, stalker etc, and to minimise the issue.

I will continue to challenge this. I look forward to the creative addition of more titles of abuse to describe me.

BTW as most posters and many lurkers know, my posting interests here are far wider than commenting on this type of issue. Like many others, I put time and thought into a number of substantive posts each week …. the most recent area being my descriptions of, and opinions about the child abuse RC.

And also as many lurkers and posters will have observed, I do not engage in personal abuse despite receiving it in generous proportions. Nevertheless I do sleep well each night.

Libertarian Unionist
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Memory leak sorted (muppet error)

Machine working (remote access destroys home lives, but I can drink while “working”)

Night all!

Libertarian Unionist
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No I’ve never had much to do with inverter companies. Over the last couple of years I’ve heard persistent whispers about the financial difficulties that a well known inverter manufacturer is experiencing, so it would surprise me if there were under supply issues in the market.

Big thanks.

grimace
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I should say that inverter manufacturer is *supposedly* experiencing financial difficulties

grimace
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libertarian unionist @ #1936 Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 12:14 am

Top info, Grimace.
Had any dealings with inverter providers, particularly residential? I hear word of a supply bottleneck. Though not an issue at the scale you are talking about.

No I’ve never had much to do with inverter companies. Over the last couple of years I’ve heard persistent whispers about the financial difficulties that a well known inverter manufacturer is experiencing, so it would surprise me if there were under supply issues in the market.

Gorkay King
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There are bus services to the Caroline Springs and other stations but most people hate using buses. I used to catch the bus during high school but have stopped as soon as I got my licence. Just too slow, too many stops and lack of real time information is a source of uncertainty when you are waiting.
There were plans to introduce real time information but I am not sure if the project is complete.

Also despite being a train driver I can see how eventually the job will be replaced even though we are decades away from it in Melbourne. I will be glad if I can squeeze another 40 years out of it, that should set me up well for retirement 🙂

bemused
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frednk @ #1933 Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 12:09 am

Bemused the thing is with the train; it doesn’t wander all over the place. Door to door a train is faster to the CBD than a car. Less than $10.00 return ( cheaper than CBD parking). What is there not to like.

All true, in fact train fares are absurdly cheap for some users.
You are right about existing busses wandering all over the place. They are also relatively infrequent. So they don’t serve the purpose of picking up commuters within the catchment area of a station at all well. They are not set up to do so.

Libertarian Unionist
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Top info, Grimace.

Had any dealings with inverter providers, particularly residential? I hear word of a supply bottleneck. Though not an issue at the scale you are talking about.

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