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And they’re off. Polls have closed, and the first results should be in in half an hour or so. I’ll be part of ABC Radio’s coverage, which you can hear on local radio in Western Australia and around the country on News Radio. Here’s a thread for you all to discuss the action as it occurs.

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Jack A Randa
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Sarge, I pinned it on Giz because she was the one with the crucial vote in the LC and she made public statements “justifying” the silly unequal electorates (and, I think, afaIr, making her support for 1v,1v in the LA conditional on Labor agreeeing to the “eco” regions with equal reps in the LC). Ok she may have been a spokesperson for a “darker hand” (gawwd, do you play Dark Souls?) but she spoke as if she meant it. I’m not the only one who has had a poor impression of the WA Greens since then.
But yes, alleluia for a second chance. If you still have any influence in the higher councils of the Greens, please remind them that (1) ecologies don’t vote, people do; (2) that sometimes people who live in an eco-sensitive area are the worst enemies of the ecology (like, in Mining and Pastoral they dig it up!); and (3) that therefore it is probably tactically beneficial to the Green cause as well as a matter of political morality to support 1v,1v. I have voted Green in Qld for the last few years because I respect the local Greens; it will be so nice to be able to say the same about the WA Greens. (Not that I’m likely to move there and have a vote there.)

Rocket Rocket
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Rod Hagen – yes I think the Trump aftermath is helping Macron go ahead of Le Pen, and deflating Geert Wilders in the Netherlands and aFD in Germany. So Trump may yet help many democracies around the world, probably just not how envisioned doing so!

SgtThursday
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And hallelujah for a second chance at fixing it.

SgtThursday
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And maybe to be more clear – if you’d said “The Greens made a mistake” I would probably wear that just fine. I actually DON’T like the outcome that was delivered and I don’t think I’m in the minority within the party proper. It’s more that you have pinned it directly on Giz which I don’t think is entirely fair. To your credit you did actually do something that very few people do which is make contact and ask questions. Many people do not, and present their own vague assumption of motive as fact. So, respectfully, apologies for the original challenge. But raspberries for other stuff.

SgtThursday
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I am not Giz. Or the darker hand.

Rod Hagen
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A factor that deserves more recognition in the WA election is that the election of Trump in the US has already made voters in other parts of the world far more suspicious about those trumpeting the virtues of the looney right parties. People have seen what happens in the US when such groups gain power and they don’t like the dangers which it poses to all the world’s citizens. They accordingly are far less likely to use similar groups like Hanson’s One Nation, standing on much the same platform as Trump and with regular obeisance to his “victory”, to register a “protest vote”.

The election of Trump, and the obvious chaos already ensuing, marks the beginning of the end of the success of the looney right in many parts of the world. Be interesting to see whether it has the same impact on various European elections in the near future. I suspect it inevitably will.

Lev Lafayette
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Want to know what happened in WA? Economic insecurity, that’s what happened.

http://isocracy.org/content/west-australian-election-2017-bring-your-gauges

Jack A Randa
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And Sarge, if you are Giz, and you’re trying to say “Don’t blame me, the party made me do it”, there are times when principle should override party loyalty.

Jack A Randa
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Yes Xoanon – in response to all the excitable children (aka reporters/journos) predicting an outbreak of Trumpism here, the response is “WE ARE NOT THE UK, NOR AMERICA!” Partly because of compulsory voting, partly because of our different history and demographics.

Jack A Randa
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No Sgt Thurs, you didn’t mention ecoregionalism. But in response to a post of mine in which I mentioned it, you jumped in and said “unless you were at the GM you don’t know what you’re talking about”. If you were trying to say “I was there and valiantly argued against the stupid idea, or the stupid implementation of it” you certainly didn’t say so. Chrissy and Giz sabotaged democracy. And for whoever above is blaming Labor, my recollection from 12 years ago is that Labor was proposing something closer to 1v1v in the LC but gave up on it only when they couldn’t get support from Giz. It really is all her fault!

Xoanon
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I was utterly pleased with this result, and not just as a former Western Australian. It’s a complete and utter rebuttal to the bullshit argument that since Trump’s election the far right populist politicians have been unstoppable. There was never any proof of it locally, and now it’s been disproved in the most comprehensive way.

If ONP can’t do better than 4.something % of the vote in a “frontier” mining state in a downturn, with every media outlet giving its leader free publicity, then how is it a serious threat? I was particularly pleased the Greens polled double ONP’s result, after being virtually ignored by media.

Hopefully now the MSM can ditch the line that Brexit and Trump mean that we’re heading on the exact same trajectory as the US/UK. Turnbull should take the WA result as the chance to insert a bit of backbone and get something done on the issues (climatr change, housing affordability, equal marriage etc) that Australian federal politics has spent so much energy forestalling for years.

zoomster
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After the Victorian election, the ABC computer was predicting a couple of minor parties would get up in the Upper House – instead, the seats went to Labor.

Rule of thumb is also that the fewer candidates you run in Lower House seats, the less likely it is that you win in the Upper House. It’s one of the reasons the majors always makes sure they run a candidate in every seat.

antonbruckner11
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BR – I understand that, with the Belgian Boxhead, they’ve found a way of injecting the talking points directly into his brain so they override all other thoughts.

zoomster
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‘Well I certainly didn’t see the magnitude of that slaughter coming. No one did.’

Not even our esteemed Fourth Estate, who have their fingers on the Australian pulse…

frednk
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michael l
Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 8:11 am

Outgoing Ministry cabinet papers get destroyed / locked away under the Westminster system.

That would make them very hard to release after 20 years.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs10.aspx

Ides of March
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Speaking of NSW, the three state byelections are less than four weeks away but the Liberals have not preselected anyone yet.

Barry Reynolds
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The Verminator vibbling and vobbling on ABC AM, it was time, federal government has nothing to do with it….blah, blah, blah etc. etc.

antonbruckner11
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Michael L – True, but what about correspondence with Georgie and his office? Surely they are preserved.

michael l
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Outgoing Ministry cabinet papers get destroyed / locked away under the Westminster system.

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