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The Australian relates yet another 53-47 result from Newspoll, with both major parties down a point on the primary vote: the Coalition to 35% and Labor to 36%, with One Nation steady on 11% and the Greens, despite it all, up a point to 10%. Of personal ratings, only the following at this stage:

Mr Turnbull’s net satisfaction rating — the difference between those satisfied and those dissatisfied with his performance — deteriorated slightly from -23 points to -24 points over the past three weeks. In contrast, Mr Shorten improved his net satisfaction rating from -23 to -20 points in today’s poll, showing another improvement in his standing with voters since he slumped to -28 points in March.

UPDATE: GhostWhoVotes relates that Malcolm Turnbull is steady on 32% approval and up one on disapproval to 56%; Bill Shorten is respectively up one to 33% and down two to 53%; and Turnbull’s lead as preferred prime minister has narrowed from 44-31 to 41-33.

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John Reidy
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From the G today ‘PM’s pitch as business rebounds. ‘

‘figures…which showed the best business conditions in more than nine years, but also showed an unexpected jump in labour costs’.
Why would that be unexpected? Isn’t that how modern capitalism is supposed to work, as opposed to classical 19c capitalism?.

Also probably posted elsewhere. ‘Turnbull’s legacy claim draws fire’. (delicious)
The not a conservative label by Turnbull means the right intend to eat his lunch.

briefly
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/11/theresa-may-first-year-brexit-europhobes-corbyn Theresa May’s first year was awful. Her next promises far worse Polly Toynbee A year ago today Theresa May was anointed unopposed. What a wretched anniversary, marking an inert year in which absolutely nothing has been done for the country, and even less for her party as she squandered its majority. Beyond the monstrous nightmare that is the eight upcoming Brexit bills, the first of which is to be unfurled on Thursday, there is little in the pipeline either. No wonder she calls on Labour for ideas. They can throw their fine fat manifesto to her across the dispatch… Read more »
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Tom the first and best
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Tom the first and best

Turnbull could, using the fixed terms as the reason, tell the states to decide for themselves on half-Senate dates (which the can, even without his permission) and then go in the second half of 2019. This is extremely unlikely but fun to imagine.

cud chewer
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Grimace, I’m reminded of this article.. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-may-be-forced-to-call-election-after-just-two-years-of-governing-20170612-gwpgcb.html The problem for Mr Turnbull is a logjam of fixed-date state elections in 2018 and early 2019, and a constitutional requirement for senators who were elected to half-terms at last year’s double dissolution election to face voters again. The Victorian election campaign will run from late October 2018 up to election day on November 24. South Australia, Tasmania and Queensland are also due to hold elections in 2018. The 2018-19 Christmas holiday season rules out a federal poll, and NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian will campaign from late February to an election on March… Read more »
a r
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Everyone is asleep. But Junior’s e-mails with Russia are now out for the world to see (presumably because NYT had a copy, so he published to steal their thunder):

Source: https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884789418455953413
Also: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/trump-latest/index.html

His excuse for the whole thing is that he thought Russia was offering him legitimate “Political Opposition Research”. Doubt that will hold up.

Anyhow, and more importantly, when will SoaD be touring Australia again?

a r
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poroti @ #783 Tuesday, July 11th, 2017 – 10:47 pm

Diogenes
Would nae have picked you as a SOAD fan but there ya go …………… I like your taste in music .

100% agree.

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Grimace
Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:35 am
briefly @ #792 Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:02 am

The WA economy is shot, imo, as are State finances. If the Libs carry the can for these failures, they will lose a lot of seats in WA. They certainly deserve to. The Libs have taken WA for granted for many years…..

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Grimace…the Libs know they have been thrashed on the ground in several elections…Victoria, Queensland, the Canning by-election and 2016 DD and in WA. But they are trying to get into gear. I for one do not underestimate them. We have to remember they have been very adroit over many years at communicating with Lib-positive voters. They are out of touch at the moment. But they will be trying to figure out how to respond. The Abbott shenanigans have not helped them, though, to be sure, everyone can now say that Rightist Revivalism is a no-goer.

grimace
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briefly @ #792 Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:02 am

Grimace….
While the polls don’t yet show it, I expect that by the time of the next election, Federal Libs will be even less popular than their State counterparts were in March.

As much as I’d love to see it, it’s improbable. If the WA result (12% swing) was replicated federally, Labor would win 128 seats in the HoR.

grimace
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Apologies for the double post.

grimace
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briefly @ #792 Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:02 am Grimace…. Porter knows he has a fight on his hands. Of course, he also has some advantages. Pearce is a huge seat with some very die-hard rural Lib+/or Nat booths. I think it’s a seat that needs a Labor candidate at the earliest opportunity. I guess I will be helping in Cowan but certainly hope to contribute in Pearce too. I think we should take Pearce, Swan and Hasluck. Stirling is possible. Canning is feasible, (especially as Hastie is such an empty twit)….and, ya never know, Durack may also be… Read more »
grimace
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briefly @ #792 Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:02 am Grimace…. Porter knows he has a fight on his hands. Of course, he also has some advantages. Pearce is a huge seat with some very die-hard rural Lib+/or Nat booths. I think it’s a seat that needs a Labor candidate at the earliest opportunity. I guess I will be helping in Cowan but certainly hope to contribute in Pearce too. I think we should take Pearce, Swan and Hasluck. Stirling is possible. Canning is feasible, (especially as Hastie is such an empty twit)….and, ya never know, Durack may also be… Read more »
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Johnson makes a fool of himself, again… Prominent Corbynista breaks for No-Brexit…. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/11/european-leaders-can-go-whistle-over-eu-divorce-bill-says-boris-johnson The Labour leader is facing calls from some on his own side to put the issue of staying in the EU back on the table. Manuel Cortes, general secretary of the TSSA union, which has helped fund Corbyn’s Labour and Momentum, used an article in LabourList to call for Corbyn to leave open the possibility of staying in the EU. “Why should we confine ourselves to the second-rate option of EEA or EFTA membership when what we already have is something far better?” Cortes said. “I can’t… Read more »
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Grimace…. Porter knows he has a fight on his hands. Of course, he also has some advantages. Pearce is a huge seat with some very die-hard rural Lib+/or Nat booths. I think it’s a seat that needs a Labor candidate at the earliest opportunity. I guess I will be helping in Cowan but certainly hope to contribute in Pearce too. I think we should take Pearce, Swan and Hasluck. Stirling is possible. Canning is feasible, (especially as Hastie is such an empty twit)….and, ya never know, Durack may also be winnable. While the polls don’t yet show it, I expect… Read more »
grimace
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briefly @ #788 Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:19 pm Grimace Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:41 pm There is no sign that Porter expects to vacate Pearce. On the contrary, he’s already campaigning to hang on. Goodenough is a waste of space, but he can finance his own campaign. In an election where the Liberals are expected to lose seats, it’s very unlikely anyone will emerge to threaten his pre-selection. I’m in his electorate and have signed up to his email and Facebook. I’m also on his VIP* list, and have been a regular correspondent over a number of… Read more »
swamprat
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Torchbearer

“Australia didn’t bother to attend.”

No need to attend if the US was there.

Torchbearer
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Postcard from Kazakhstan…
Went to World Expo-Future Energy in Astana yesterday. 122 countries from China, US, UK, Germany, Russia to Palau, Jamaica and the Vatican displaying the latest initiatives towards a carbon free future, and the industrial and commercial opportunity of their countries. And not just solar and wind, but geothermal, biofuels, nuclear fusion, space energy, graphene….the world, everyone, are moving on, and not a mention of coal or gas anywhere.
Australia didn’t bother to attend.

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Grimace
Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:41 pm

There is no sign that Porter expects to vacate Pearce. On the contrary, he’s already campaigning to hang on.

Goodenough is a waste of space, but he can finance his own campaign. In an election where the Liberals are expected to lose seats, it’s very unlikely anyone will emerge to threaten his pre-selection.

Douglas and Milko
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Commenting late due to work commitments, but I was intrigued by the transubstantiation press release (encyclical?) put out by the Vatican, which insists that you need enough gluten / wheat in the communion wafer so that it is bread: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/catholic-church-confirms-its-opposition-to-going-gluten-free-20170710-gx85zf.html The timing was exquisite, as I was at a conference dinner in Asia with someone from the Netherlands last week, who was diagnosed with severe Coeliac’s Disease at a young age. Somehow the conversation went from the difficulties of working out what he could eat to the problems of his First Communion. His parents tried to reason with the local… Read more »
Rational Leftist
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My son is reading the Bible for research purposes. He was horrified by the story where Lot offers his virgin daughters to a mob to be gang raped (the offer isn’t taken up). Apparently this action confirmed Lot’s credentials as a Good Man.

Just wait until he gets to Judges 19. It’s almost the same story (different characters and different scenario but the offering of women for a mob to rape still is there.) In this instance, they take him up on the offer – and the result is utterly horrifying.

Diogenes
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Freudian slip Cormoron = Cormann
Cormoron Strike?

Diogenes
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Poroti
I love Serj, who now lives in a little town in NZ.

FalconWA
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Sorry. Freudian slip Cormoron = Cormann

poroti
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Diogenes
Would nae have picked you as a SOAD fan but there ya go …………… I like your taste in music .

FalconWA
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C@t Steve Irons is in Swan. That seat is now marginal so for Porter to move would be a big risk. Goodenough in Moore, which is a safe Liberal seat, is a factional ally of Cormoron so Porter will have to cosy up to Mathais and local factional leader, Peter Collier to get a look in. Goodenough is also a strong happy clapper who seemed to have penetrated deep into the northern suburbs branches of the Liberals in Perth

Diogenes
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Incidentally those words are part of the lyrics to one of my favourite songs, Chop Suey by SOAD.

Diogenes
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poroti
I had a couple of atheist moments.
One was due to mosquitoes. I couldn’t work out why God would make something as annoying and pointless and harmful as mosquitoes.
Another was Christ’s last words ” My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

grimace
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@ GG
The census puts believe in a religion at ~70%, what is their actual church attendance like? The surveys I’ve seen put “regular” (monthly) attendance at 5% – 10%.

How many of them are just nominal Christian’s (etc) and don’t actually give religion much thought? Religion in Australia is heading into the dustbin of history, and good riddance.

Steve777
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Swaprat @10:28PM – they do – it’s expressed in American. Thou shalt not covet, among other things, thy neighbor’s ass.

swamprat
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I meant to say:

Wouldn’t it be good if the commandment said:

“Thou shalt not covert thy neighbour’s arse” 🙂

A whole new theology awaits!!!

Steve777
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An example of ‘excessive taxation’ – electricity prices, now 4 carbon taxes and rising, with the proceeds enriching rent-seeking oligopolists.

swamprat
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Cud Chewer
Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:09 pm
Swamp,

Depends on how WILD the party is?

Steve777
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It seems that a few other commenters here came to a similar conclusion to me with regard to belief – it just didn’t make sense. We were supposed to have ‘faith’, but couldn’t do it.

cud chewer
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Swamp,

Depends on how WILD the party is? 🙂

C@tmomma
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This NYT article contextualises the Russian Adoption issue that Donald Trump Jr. went to talk about into a wider context relating to the lifting of sanctions against Russia by the US:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/world/americas/kremlin-adoptions-sanctions-russia.html?action=click&contentCollection=Podcasts&module=Trending&version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

mari
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Confessions
Agree
Poroti
Always careful. Have just been given a lovely handmade dish by restaurant owner,has shells, will declare at customs

Guytaur
Why I am having time in UK, although am assured very warm in UK ,.until I get there I guess.
OK finish off packing, washing will be dry only taken about 2 hours here,even though hand washed.
Bye

John Reidy
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Thanks Swamp, I hadn’t heard that about Hindu gods. SMH has an article on Lynton Crosby’s response to Turnbull’s ‘sensible centre’: Cabinet rushes to PM’s defence Strategist Sir Lynton Crosby warns the party is consumed with internal battles that voters do not care about. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cabinet-rushes-to-malcolm-turnbulls-defence-20170711-gx9bkt.html?btis In it: “He listed “reward for effort”, a “fair go”, an “opportunity to better [voters’] lives” by not being penalised by “excessive taxation” as the values that the Liberals should reflect.” I think the ‘excessive taxation ‘ issue now works against the Liberals, people hear that and think (even subsconsously) “another tax dodge for the… Read more »
C@tmomma
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Grimace,
Is waste of political space, Steve Irons, in Tangney or Moore?

swamprat
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John Reidy “The best religion is Hinduism, Google says the religion has 330 million gods, I had thought the figure was 550 million, but it would still have to have at least an order of magnitude more gods than any other religion. They have gods for everything.” ——— I believe there are exactly the same number of Gods as there are human beings. Because evryone has his/her own God. I mean, “god” is non-corporial, as a word used by one speaker, no listener will know what that speaker means by “god”. All listeners will refer to their idea of “god”.… Read more »
confessions
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Grimace:

Like I said, if the WA Lib brains trust wanted to keep him in the fold, they’d a way to keep him, and from your post it would seem they certainly have options.

John Reidy
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The best religion is Hinduism, Google says the religion has 330 million gods, I had thought the figure was 550 million, but it would still have to have at least an order of magnitude more gods than any other religion. They have gods for everything.

I recently reread Arthur C Clarke’s short story “The Nine Billion Names of God”.
An excellent story.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God

swamprat
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Cud

Yes but don’t they have to be WILD donkeys??

grimace
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confessions @ #422 Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:51 am Grimace: There have been reports that he is casting about for a safer seat. I suppose if he really was considered leadership material they’d find a way to hang onto him. I was involved in a discussion on here recently about which seats Porter could potentially move to. Assuming he was going to move to a super safe seat (10%+ margin) and wanted to stay metropolitan, Porter can only choose from Moore, Tangney or Curtin. Mesma has indicated that she’s staying put, so that leaves the two non-entities (both long… Read more »
cud chewer
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Swamp, we all know Americans secretly love their donkeys 🙂

swamprat
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Cud

“Thou shalt not covet they neighbour’s ass..”
——
I have always wondered whether poor benighted Americans think this is a Commandment against gay sex?

jenauthor
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Belatedly to Monica – not familiar with Kleinman … found Campbell from research in history and also from authorial point-of-view. Will check Kleinman out.

poroti
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Steve777 My “atheist” moment came during Sunday School aged about 6 . I was a bit confused about the whole religion thing as they banged on about Jesus when I thought surely the big boss, his dad, should be the focus, I mean he like created everything !! The teacher was that day going with the “god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son” routine. So I asked if god could make anything and was of course told that yes he could. Aha thought I and said well he could have made as many sons as he… Read more »
cud chewer
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Thou shalt not covet they neighbour’s ass..
Unless one has a big carrot 🙂

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