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Yet another 53-47 result from Newspoll, from primary votes of Coalition 36% (unchanged), Labor 36% (down one), Greens 11% (up two) and One Nation 8% (down one). Both leaders recorded better personal ratings, with Malcolm Turnbull up four on approval to 38% and down four on disapproval to 50%, and Bill Shorten up three on approval to 36% and down two on disapproval to 51%. Turnbull’s lead on preferred prime minister has widened from 43-32 to 46-31. The poll was conducted Thursday to Sunday from a sample of 1639.

Stay tuned for federal voting intention results from the Queensland-only poll conducted for the Courier-Mail, from which state results were published yesterday.

UPDATE: The numbers from the Courier-Mail’s Galaxy poll from Queensland, conducted Wednesday and Thursday from a sample of 902, are Coalition 37% (up two since April), Labor 32% (down one), One Nation 12% (down three) and Greens 7%, with Australian Conservatives recording a fairly impressive 6%. On two-party preferred, the Coalition records a lead of 51-49, which compares with 50-50 in April and 54.1-45.9 at last year’s election.

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It was trending on most social media platforms. People are desperate for some action on housing affordability.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/51-billion-budget-bonus-in-greens-plan-to-curb-negative-gearing-20170728-gxkrz4.html

Elaugaufein
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That seems unlikely. I’m a Greens member and even I haven’t heard a recent housing announcement by the Greens, so either it was a while ago (I do remember a previous housing policy announcement) or they’ve done a much worse job than usual getting it out to members at least.

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Quaintly, it’s possible to arrest a ship. It should be possible to sequester a corporation.

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Imagine what Grocon’s approach to public and worker safety would have been had the penalty for injuries or deaths on their sites included a term of “custodial administration”. Grocon’s shareholders and lenders would be vitally interested in their compliance with the safety laws.

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Lord Haw Haw of Arabia

Cheers, Lord 🙂

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bemused

Corporations ceased being under state decades ago and were brought under Commonwealth law. The Corporations Act 2001. Here http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca2001172/

This Act is very extensive and mainly relates to the administration of companies and the operation of markets. It does not exempt corporations from State laws. Corporations have the status of legal persons and are subject to State laws like anyone else. So, for example, when Grocon was fined in relation to the deaths caused by the collapse of a wall in Melbourne, the law that applied was a Victorian law, and the court was a Victorian court:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-21/grocon-fined-250000-over-fatal-wall-collapse/5908292

Have a look at CHAPTER 2D–Officers and employees for a start and inform yourself as to the duties of Directors and others and penalties that apply.

And of course if individuals within a corporation commit a criminal offence they should be prosecuted under state or federal laws as appropriate.

The trouble is that very few such charges are ever laid because of the evidentiary standards in criminal trials. This means, in fact, the laws are frequently without any practical effect in the case of corporations.

I think this should be changed. To do so will require reform of a range of laws. The Law Reform Commission should be tasked with proposing reforms that will deliver effective equality before the law with respect to corporations and other legal persons.

Lord Haw Haw of Arabia
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Oh well…no surprises here tonight. For whatever reasons might exist, not a lot of bludgers want to trouble themselves with law reform the effect of which would be to subject the great powers to the same laws as the humble and the poor.

The current laws are to almost all purposes unenforceable and unenforced with respect to corporates. They are dead letters. So much for equality before the law. There are hundreds of aboriginal boys and men in prison in Western Australia for the non-payment of fines and the subsequent application of 3-strikes laws. Yet banks can and do steal millions from small-time users of the financial transactions machinery and they entirely escape attention, let alone conviction and punishment.
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Not at all, I believe in a Royal Commission into banking and penalties for breaches of the law should be in the terms of reference.

I think you raise some interesting points with regard to ‘corporate imprisonment’.

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Of course when the greens do well in the polls it’s has nothing to do with anything they’ve done well, when they stay consistent however it’s because they are a disaster. Sorry William, but I think the release of the Greens extremely populist and popular Housing policy plan might have something to do with their recent minor change of fortunes.

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Puff, the Magic Dragon.

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briefly @ #707 Monday, August 7th, 2017 – 9:59 pm

I made them jump….I got my money and fulsome attention.

But even so, they should not have behaved dishonestly. It’s important to understand this is institutionalised dishonesty. It’s structured.

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The simple existence of such provisions would likely have an effect on the corporate mind.

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bemused
Yes, you can’t gaol a corporation.

I’m going to try to change that in a certain sense. A corporate entity cannot be imprisoned but its assets can certainly be detained, its income requisitioned and the freedom to trade its securities can be suspended. That is a financial equivalent to imprisonment. I think it might catch on.

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Oh well…no surprises here tonight. For whatever reasons might exist, not a lot of bludgers want to trouble themselves with law reform the effect of which would be to subject the great powers to the same laws as the humble and the poor.

The current laws are to almost all purposes unenforceable and unenforced with respect to corporates. They are dead letters. So much for equality before the law. There are hundreds of aboriginal boys and men in prison in Western Australia for the non-payment of fines and the subsequent application of 3-strikes laws. Yet banks can and do steal millions from small-time users of the financial transactions machinery and they entirely escape attention, let alone conviction and punishment.

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confessions @ #726 Monday, August 7th, 2017 – 10:56 pm

Something about protesting too much….

Are you insinuating that Pence is a lady?

bemused
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Goodnight all.

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briefly @ #725 Monday, August 7th, 2017 – 10:48 pm

Elaugaufein

Then stop trying to conflate a corporation with its officers. They are thoroughly separate, but the former are not subject to the law in the same way as the latter.

Brilliant! Sheer Brilliance!!
Yes, you can’t gaol a corporation. Of course they are treated differently.

But if the mis-deeds of a corporation are as a result of directors or managers not performing their duties then those individuals can be prosecuted and if convicted penalised.

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Something about protesting too much….

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briefly @ #722 Monday, August 7th, 2017 – 10:46 pm

bemused, the criminal codes of the various states were not written with huge corporates in mind. Yet corporates are notionally subject to these laws.

This is no small thing. The banks literally – not figuratively or rhetorically, but literally – steal from each others’ clients in a very large-scale organised racket thousands of times every day. The monies involved are very substantial. They are immune from sanction. This should not be. But it will remain the case until the laws are reformed.

I am an advocate for law reform in the interests of the millions of small-time users of the banking system, in the interests of the law more widely and of the better, safer workings of the financial system. You can sneer if you like….you have my permission.

Corporations ceased being under state decades ago and were brought under Commonwealth law. The Corporations Act 2001. Here http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ca2001172/

Have a look at CHAPTER 2D–Officers and employees for a start and inform yourself as to the duties of Directors and others and penalties that apply.

And of course if individuals within a corporation commit a criminal offence they should be prosecuted under state or federal laws as appropriate.

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