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Apr 2, 2011

Punch doubles down - doesn't just refuse to retract clear untruth, actually repeats it

Please excuse a second post relating to the Greens in as many days but, to anyone who thought there were limits on what falsehoods the professional media could publish, this is extra

Please excuse a second post relating to the Greens in as many days but, to anyone who thought there were limits on what falsehoods the professional media could publish, this is extraordinary.

News Ltd’s The Punch – edited by David Penberthy – has not only failed to retract the demonstrably untrue claim he made yesterday that the Greens “chose to direct preferences to the One Nation founder ahead of the ALP” at the recent NSW election (still up this morning) – it has now gone and published Mark Kenny repeating it:

Indeed it may yet squeak home in the final upper house seat – edging out Pauline Hanson which the party had mystifyingly preferenced ahead of Labor, to its enduring shame – and is still something of a chance in Balmain.

STILL NOT TRUE. The Greens did not preference Hanson above Labor.

Why are they still publishing it? Do they think they can just brazen it out without consequence? Is the aim to have that filthy little nugget sitting there so they can refer to it down the track as “evidence” of the falsehood it proclaims? What disturbing allegations will they outright make up against the Greens next? Will the Press Council in any way police this, or is the biggest media company in the land now free to just openly lie about political groups it wants to see “destroyed”?

ELSEWHERE: Meanwhile, the Weekend Australian goes all out to try to crush the influence of anyone in the Greens who could be called “left”.

UPDATE (4/4): Kenny’s piece has been silently edited – no acknowledgement that there’s been a change on the article itself, but in David Penberthy’s extraordinary I WILL NOT RETRACT MY FALSEHOOD! AND I WILL PRETEND I SAID SOMETHING ELSE (which is also not true but more arguable)! effort this morning, he mentions the major change in passing:

Usually a professional media organisation includes a correction notice when it fixes a significant error like that, Penbo.

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42 thoughts on “Punch doubles down – doesn’t just refuse to retract clear untruth, actually repeats it

  1. quantize

    btw I wonder if the golden Murdoch touch has anything to do with the Boltverse™ invading Channel 10?

    There goes their ‘youf’ audience (except for the young libs)

  2. quantize

    Let’s not mince words about Pemberthy…this is the man who edited the Tele, the closest thing you can get to one-eyed political shit sold as news in a tabloid form….but grubby in a way that makes the bible of shit (the Oz) seem like a weighty tome.

    {Snip – We can’t make that claim – Dave}. He was always arrogant and unrepentant of all the stuff Media Watch rightly pointed out…he’s just following the conga line of idiots attacking ‘lefties’.

  3. gezzam

    Woops, should have gone to open thread.

  4. gezzam

    If anyone heard an explosion from down Southbank way at about 9:30 it would have been Bolta watching Media Watch.

  5. Jeremy Sear

    UPDATE including the silent edit (confirmed by Penbo).

  6. deconst

    I agree about Penberthy’s contempt of Press Council. He must collect their responses as personal trophies.

    This is my first Press Council complaint so I’m very curious about the process. It appears most adjudications take about six months to come through.

  7. CJ Morgan

    I see that Penberthy’s digging his heels in this morning. The Greens are apparently taking the Punch to the Press Council, and he’s refusing to retract his lie that they preferenced Hanson ahead of the ALP. Given the unambiguous wording of his original piece, I can only conclude that his arrogance derives from utter contempt for the Press Council and any penalties it can impose.

  8. Fran Barlow

    And let me add that if I had been at the rally addressed by SH-Y at which a person had displayed an anti-semitic banner such as that I would have approached the womna directly and very firmly explained that what she proposed was not welcome here, and none too politely either. And if she had not decided to decamp or put it away we’d have had a little counter-rally to change her mind.

    I have been at rallies before in which someone, either a provocateur or someone really stupid has threatened to bring us into disrepute and they haven’t had the courage to stay with it for more than about 30 seconds. I recall a rally in support of stricking waterside workers in which someone had attended with a “foreigners out” sign and when I’d asked him to put it away and he’d refused a number of burly waterside workers simply took the sign from him, destroyed it and as a few more queued up to inspect the commotion, they asked him when he and his friend would be leaving. I didn’t hear what he said because the two left in something of a hurry.

  9. Lee Harvey Oddworld

    That Gillard has yielded to the pressure from News Ltd and begun to slander the Greens plays right into the hands of the conservative press and the opposition.

    Hear, hear.

    Julia makes the essential pilgrimage to the Emperor Rupert’s throne room in NYC and comes him with a savage, out-of-left-field attack on the Greens. Maybe News Ltd will now ease up on her a little, as a payoff, but Rupert drives a hard bargain.

    In any case, it’s another indication of the current ideological bankruptcy at the ALP.

  10. Aldaron

    “The logical conclusion of your idea is that if there’s a rally on for the other side of politics, and I don’t want their leaders to attend, all I need to do is show up myself with an offensive placard.”

    Fair point, but the same could be argued that any rally could be discredited with *agents provocateurs”. It is certainly attempted, but it usually gets “outed”.

    “Leaders must attend rallies in spite of the fringe nutjobs that will inevitably turn up – but they must make sure they stay far away, so nobody can suggest they’re endorsing those nutjobs specifically. It would, for example, be a very bad look to be photographed giving a speech right in front of one of those offensive signs.”

    I agree. This is why I was wondering earlier if Rhiannon, Burne and/or Hanson-Young had actually been on stage with Sheikh Hilaly. I don’t know if they were, but the claim has been repeated often. I have been unable to confirm it one way or another, and have been hoping someone could *disprove* the assertion.

    My point is that IF they were, then they have lost far more credibility than Abbott did by standing in front of a juvenile sign. Note I have capitalised that “IF”.

    I want to see the Greens push for condemnation of Israel for its attacks on civilians. I also want to see the Greens push for condemnation of Palestine for its attacks on civilians.

    I just get a little sick of the hypocrisy from those on the Left – with whom I share 99% of my philosophies – who align themselves with lunatics like Hilaly who are diametrically opposed to every single thing the Greens and every other small-“l” liberal stands for…

  11. Douglas Evan

    I’ve come a bit late to this discussion but I think the reason they persist with the lie is that they know, as John Passant commented, that if they keep saying it it becomes the accepted version of what happened. Their target group is not to be found on blogs like this. In fact if these folk found out that Pure Poison said News Ltd was lying their belief in the lie would be strengthened. Truth is not an issue here.

    On a slightly different but related theme: That Gillard has yielded to the pressure from News Ltd and begun to slander the Greens plays right into the hands of the conservative press and the opposition. This shows her to the electorate as increasingly weak and desperate. If the accursed Greens are so bad what is she doing working so closely with them?

    She could not have chosen a worse time to start this fight. Blind Freddy (but not Gillard’s brainless advisors) could see that while she is working closely with The Greens to get policy through it is in the government’s interests to take the line that “the Greens are being demonized by the conservative press, their record of co-operation has been good, Lee Rhiannon will be one among ten and that boycotting Israel is not Greens policy etc etc”. All of which is true but as I’ve said truth has nothing to do with what is going on here.

    The right time politically to emphasize the differences with the Greens as Lenore Taylor managed to say in a brief break in Bolt’s braying on Insiders this morning is when or if the Process in the Multi Party Committee breaks down.

    This is another illustration, either of of Gillard’s poor political judgment, or of her lack of control over the direction the government chooses to take. This is a poor government which, if the alternative were not so horrifying, wouldn’t deserve another chance. I suspect they won’t get one.

  12. RobJ

    Which is silly (no acknowledgement) since all the posts pointing out the lie are still there.

  13. CJ Morgan

    Interestingly, the lie that the Greens supposedly preferenced Hanson above Labor has now been elided from both Penberthy’s and Kenny’s articles at the Punch – but with no comment from the authors. Maybe they’ve received some legal advice?

  14. quantize

    Frankie is the goat getting one.

  15. monkeywrench

    Frankie, stop acting the goat.

  16. Daniel Bond

    Aldaron,

    The logical conclusion of your idea is that if there’s a rally on for the other side of politics, and I don’t want their leaders to attend, all I need to do is show up myself with an offensive placard. Leaders must attend rallies in spite of the fringe nutjobs that will inevitably turn up – but they must make sure they stay far away, so nobody can suggest they’re endorsing those nutjobs specifically. It would, for example, be a very bad look to be photographed giving a speech right in front of one of those offensive signs.

  17. shepherdmarilyn

    Hands up all those who understand that the BDS was kicked off in Israel by Israeli’s 13 years ago in an attempt to stop the world buying goods made in the occupied west bank and being peddled as Israeli?

    Anyone who thinks that is fine when the Palestinians are denied the jobs, staff are imported from Asia and treated like slaves and the Palestinians continue to lose their own country needs their head read.

  18. Aldaron

    “Aldaron – any public rally can and does include nutjobs. So politicians should never attend any rally ever?”

    I think they should be *exceptionally* careful about it. It also depends on the nutjobs.

  19. SHV

    No Frankie, I’m not the goat-fu*ker in that story. Defenders of News Ltd’s lies are.

    Do you defend the lying, excuse it or simply deny it exists?

  20. Jeremy Sear

    “I’m just saying, it’s hardly a “disturbing allegation” when they’ve done it before, and will inevitably do it again.”

    They haven’t “done it before”, because the “it” we’re talking about is preferencing Hanson above the ALP. And they did not do that, then or now. Which was Penbo’s thoroughly erroneous claim.

    Aldaron – any public rally can and does include nutjobs. So politicians should never attend any rally ever?

  21. Frankie V.

    . . . but I think your predilection for our cloven hoofed friends might be OFF TOPIC, SHV.

  22. Frankie V.

    SHV @ 11

    [I fu*k just ONE goat, and what do call they me?]

    SHV, apparently.

  23. Aldaron

    Just incidentally, to head off one of the arguments I know is going to get thrown at me…

    Would I have attended the rally? Yes. Do I think the rally was misplaced? No.

    However – just as Tony Abbott should have had the sense to walk off when the shit was pulled in Canberra last week, ANY politician should have backed off at the sight of the extremists present. A politician is NOT a private citizen – they are representing a party, and they have to do what they can to assist that party’s credibility.

    I haven’t seen the footage of where Sarah Hanson-Young was at this rally, but if she was indeed “sharing the stage” with Hilaly, then she *definitely* deserves a trip to the woodshed. It would be like John Howard sharing a stage with Vladimir Lenin…

  24. surlysimon

    Frankie
    Did the Greens preference Pauline as their first preference? or did they simply show their utter disgust at the LNP by putting them below other parties they didn’t want to see elected either?

  25. Frankie V.

    Jeremy Sear @ 15

    [So they put the Lib/Nats last. In 2007. And that justifies the News Ltd lie this week about an entirely different election how?]

    I’m just saying, it’s hardly a “disturbing allegation” when they’ve done it before, and will inevitably do it again.

  26. Aldaron

    Jeremy @7.
    Rhiannon and Hanson-Young need to be given a time-out. It’s all very well to support the BDS idea – I’m on the fence with it, personally – but to head off to these sorts of rallies which include nutbars who are opposed to everything the Greens stand for is just begging to have the likes of Milne take potshots.

    And deservedly so; they are just handing out “kick me” signs to the conservatives, and playing into the hands of those who claim the Greens are a haven for extremists. Tony Abbott was an idiot to have associated with the extremists at the anti-carbon rally last week, but Greens who associate with those who *are* anti-Jewish (as opposed to anti-Israel) are shooting the party in the foot.

  27. Jeremy Sear

    So they put the Lib/Nats last. In 2007. And that justifies the News Ltd lie this week about an entirely different election how?

  28. SHV

    PS: It looks like it is true:

    http://australiavotes2007.blogspot.com/2007/11/senate-preference-flows-nsw.html

    Which means it’s off topic.

    BTW Frankie, if the greens are so evil why did the coalition preference them ahead of labor?

  29. SHV

    Is that true Frankie?

    I mean if that’s true, then it’s off topic. This thread is about yet another lie from News Ltd.

    You Murdoch cheerleaders remind me of the joke about the goat-fu*ker:

    “I build a school – they don’t call me Joe the school-builder.
    I build a hospital – they don’t call me Joe the hospital-builder.
    I build a church – they don’t call me Joe the church-builder,
    but I fu*k just ONE goat, and what do call they me?”

  30. Frankie V.

    [What disturbing allegations will they outright make up against the Greens next?]

    Don’t be so precious Jeremy. In the 2007 Senate race the NSW Greens preferenced Pauline’s United Australia Party, One Nation and the Citizens Electoral Council all above the Coalition – so the Greens should be glad Hanson got in instead of a Lib/Nat.

  31. Lee Harvey Oddworld

    Says Milne:

    On January 18, 2009 3,000 demonstrators marched in Melbourne to condemn the unilateral ceasefire announced by Israel in the Gaza strip.

    Sorry, Glenn, but when you have to bend the very purpose of a demonstration to make it sound irrational (i.e., ignoring the turkey shoot that preceded the ceasefire), you only prove how vapid your argument is in the first place.

    To rational readers, that is. Who probably aren’t reading you in the first place.

  32. quantize

    btw this hokey meme about the Greens being ‘extremist’ whilst everyone pretends Abbott, and his One Nation style thinktank is the biggest load to be perpetrated by conservatives and the MSM

  33. quantize

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/thousands-demonstrate-for-and-against-carbon-tax-20110402-1cs36.html

    So a significantly higher number attended the pro-carbon tax rally…

    but I ask you directly, do you really think that’s the way this ‘news’ article reads?

    Seems to me the ‘anti’ freak show seems to be the focus. I don’t get this weird bias.

  34. John Passant

    I mention this lie in my article Support left-wing Greens against the establishment’s attacks. http://enpassant.com.au/?p=9833

    It seems News Ltd thinks if you repeat the lie it becomes the truth. I have heard that strategy somewhere before.

    Why are they so worried, News Ltd, the ALP, the Opposition, the Zionists? Because having someone who thinks differently might challenge the cosy club of neoliberal nonsense that spews forth daily from Parliament and the press and which serves the interests of the rich and powerful.

  35. Jeremy Sear

    And Glen Milne in Their ABC argues that Sarah Hanson-Young being at a protest where there were some disgusting signs amongst the hundreds and thousands is the same as Tony Abbott, Bronwyn Bishop and Sophie Mirabella getting themselves photographed in front of a sign calling the Prime Minister a “bitch”.

  36. deconst

    [State, in 400 words or fewer, the main thrust of your complaint.]

    Article 1: David Penberthy erroneously states: “To the enduring disgust of the Labor Party, the Greens chose to direct preferences to the One Nation founder ahead of the ALP, and she may now creep into the Upper House courtesy of their support.”

    Article 2: Mark Kenny erroneously states: “- edging out Pauline Hanson which the (Greens) party had mystifyingly preferenced ahead of Labor, to its enduring shame -”

    All Greens’ 93 How to Vote cards are here: nsw.greens.org.au/NSW2011/HTV

    None of these preferenced Pauline Hanson ahead of Labor.

    Neither author has acknowledged the error, nor corrected the error nor offered an apology.

    [Do you have a direct association with the matters or persons referred to in the article and in the complaint? If not, what reason do you have to raise the complaint?]

    I am a member of the Greens party and am offended by association with Pauline Hanson. It misrepresents the Greens and may dishonestly affect future electoral outcomes while this error persists.

  37. Jeremy Sear

    Dennis Shanahan in The Australian:

    While blaming “the hate media” – specifically The Australian for reporting the Greens policy of a boycott of Israel – Brown conceded yesterday that it cost the Greens votes in NSW and was wrong.

    When was that a “Greens policy”?

    PS “the Greens, who find themselves facing real media scrutiny for the first time”? They’ve been saying that for a decade.

  38. SHV

    ‘…is the biggest media company in the land now free to just openly lie about political groups it wants to see “destroyed”?’

    “now free to”??

    When did you start paying attention? Lying is their stock in trade. Murdoch famously OK’d the fake Hitler diaries “scoop” AFTER he was told they were undoubtedly fake.

    Remember “son of sam”? More famous Murdoch lies.

    Remember Bolt’s “800 = 8000”? They laugh it off. They thrive on it.

    We need to make foreign ownership of our media illegal.

  39. Matthew of Canberra

    “Is the aim to have that filthy little nugget sitting there so they can refer to it down the track as “evidence” of the falsehood it proclaims”

    While it’s ascertain in any given instance, that tactic certainly seems very popular in wingnut circles. I’ve mentioned before the conspicuous soros-hatred in the US among certain fox-following types. Ask any of them for proof of his nefarious nazi past and they point to reheated dodgy quotes and questionable book excerpts – bother to follow any of those back to an original source (which gets harder to do as time passes) and the keen skeptic can see just what a carefully constructed lie it is. But the original sources are swamped by the BS versions that infect the nut-scape.

    It’s actually an interesting exercise case – I’d recommend it to year 11 “media studies” students so they can see the tricks first-hand.

    Another one is AB’s occasional suggestion that clive hamilton advocates the suspension of democracy. Quoting, as evidence, previous threads in which he’s suggested that clive hamilton advocates the suspension of democracy. Follow them back far enough and find the original link to what hamilton actually wrote, and it’s obvious that he said no such thing. But that doesn’t matter, because now there’s all that evidence that he did say it.

    And this is an industry that’s worried about its own future, for some reason.

  40. shepherdmarilyn

    John Howard kept his seat twice based on One Nation preferences.

    As for the press council, they are worthless rubbish.

    For 4 years I and many others have been complaining about the continual and false references to refugees seeking asylum being “criminal people smuggling” which taints asylum seekers with some form of criminality. I have sent them court documents stating “this is not people smuggling”, senate reports from experts showing why it is not people smuggling and I have blogged the information all over the country but the press council tell me that they will not even discuss the facts.

    Same with calling refugees seeking asylum by sea “boat people”, there is no law that says people cannot come by boat, it is derogatory against innocent people and stirs up the hate and bile we see – the press council think it is fine.

    The problem with the press council is it is all bloody journalists who don’t much care if other journalits lie and who are all white and middled aged and racist to their boot straps.

  41. RobJ

    “anyone in the Greens who could be called “left”.

    The watermelons… I’m one of them as in I’m more of a socialist than a green, however I have no issues with Green policies, they make sense to me. Voting Green is a no-brainer for anyone considering themselves left of centre, the ALP does not represent the left, they’re Liberal Lite… Slightly less worse (IMO).

    If the MSM and the ALP were less dishonest the Green vote would sky rocket and the ALP as it stands would be off to the wilderness. They would deserve it too for abandoning their traditional support base.