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Oct 21, 2011

Piers talks manners (UPDATE: as does the ABC, rudely)

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Pure Poison IconIs there anyone better equipped to give advice on courtesy than Piers Akerman?

Courtesy of curtsy lost on dork PM

Monarchist or republican, courtesies should be observed.

Fair enough.

Our leaderette clearly hasn’t the ability to cope with even a scripted Queen greeting.

Leaderette? Dork PM? Courtesies don’t extend to the Prime Minister’s office obviously.

Ignorant rudeness would be noted but not remarked upon. One doesn’t make remarks about one’s hostess “in country” but the Buck House gossip machine will have noted Ms Gillard’s stumbling.

Oh no! We’ve barely recovered from Paul Keating’s attempt to shove the Queen over a fence when he was PM, how will we manage to participate in the international community now? By the way, “Buck House”? Seems a little informal doesn’t it?

Having covered a share of royal tours and met and mingled formally and informally with members of the royal family….

Oh, I get it. Piers needed to remind us who our betters are.

The big question that seems unanswered though is whether manners dictate that we should be polite to our elected Prime Minister or call her an “unapologetic liar” should we meet her? I look forward to further education from Piers to help figure this stuff out.

UPDATE (by Jeremy): While we’re on this subject, what the blinking hell was with this ABC piece bashing the PM because someone named June Dally-Watkins (Who? Who says she’s the “queen of etiquette”? Appointed by whom? On what grounds?) apparently thought it was “the lowest part of Ms Gillard’s life”. If anyone should be “hanging their head in shame” it’s whoever gave the go-ahead to publishing that nasty bit of rubbish.

UPDATE #2 (also by Jeremy): This is… this is the front page of the Herald Sun. I kid you not:

Closer in:


What the Herald Sun would apparently like to see in a PM (if we *must* elect a woman).

“That’s how you do it, Julia”, as if she were a little girl in the 1950s!

Au contraire, Southbank. That would’ve been a bloody embarrsasment.

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65 thoughts on “Piers talks manners (UPDATE: as does the ABC, rudely)

  1. Cuppa

    podrick
    Posted October 21, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2011/10/21/piers-talks-manners/comment-page-2/#comment-67966

    [The link to the ABC’s online story about our political leaders meeting with the QEII today has a picture showing Abbott meeting the Queen, I am sorry but did I miss an election? ]

    #TheirABC is pushing hard with the “two Prime Ministers” messaging.

    At the Poll Bludger,

    Puff, the Magic Dragon.
    Posted Friday, October 21, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2011/10/20/morgan-53-5-46-5-to-coalition-3/comment-page-29/#comment-1064524

    [The news report of the Reception on ABCnews24wic had a clip of the Queen’s speech, which was followed by speeches from our ‘leaders’ with clips. Note, not the Prime Minister and LOTO, but the ‘leaders’ as if they are jointly running the place. Last I looked we had a Prime Minister of the government which does everything and that nobody leader of that other lot on the opposition benches. #abcfail much?]

  2. podrick

    SBH not true
    [Her constitutional role (The executive power of the Commonwealth is vested in the Queen and is exercisable by the Governor‑General as the Queen’s representative) is extremely limited and convention limits it more year after year. ]

    FromtheConstitution:

    [1. The legislative power of the Commonwealth shall be vested in a Federal Parliament, which shall consist of the Queen, a Senate, and a House of Representatives, and which is herein-after called “The Parliament,” or “The Parliament of the Commonwealth. ”

    2. A Governor-General appointed by the Queen shall be Her Majesty’s representative in the Commonwealth, and shall have and may exercise in the Commonwealth during the Queen’s pleasure, but subject to this Constitution, such powers and functions of the Queen as Her Majesty may be pleased to assign to him.

    and
    59. The Queen may disallow any law within one year from the Governor-General’s assent, and such disallowance on being made known by the Governor-General by speech or message to each of the Houses of the Parliament, or by Proclamation, shall annul the law from the day when the disallowance is so made known.

    60. A proposed law reserved for the Queen’s pleasure shall not have any force unless and until within two years from the day on which it was presented to the Governor-General for the Queen’s assent the Governor-General makes known, by speech or message to each of the Houses of the Parliament, or by Proclamation, that it has received the Queen’s assent. ]

    Constitutional Conventions are there but not enforcable and many have been broken. The convention that the GG be chosen from the British aristocracy. James Scullin broke that one when he recomended Sir Isaac Isaacs for the post in 1931. Both NSW Premier Tom Lewis and QLD Premier Joh Bjelke-Petersen failed to follow convention by not appointing replacement senators from the same party in 1975. Then the classic one of Sir John Kerr failing to follow the advice of the Prime Minister, E.G. Whitlam and call a half Senate election, instead deciding to sack the Government on the advice of the Chief Justice which was not in line with the Doctrine of Seperation of Powers.

    Let’s face it, convention dictates that a curtsy is appropriate, but the reality is that a bow will suffice.

  3. fred p

    How’s the irony in the Hun giving out lessons in respect while continually referring to the Prime Minister by her first name in headlines? If (God forbid) Tony Abbott is elected Prime Minister, what are the odds he’ll be referred to as “Tony” in Herald Sun headlines? And I don’t remember Howard being referred to as “John” too often either.

  4. Harold Thornton

    Jeremy – well, yes, but… clearly HM was attempting to smite the wretch, but her octogenarian constitution produced merely a blow that was misinterpreted as a friendly pat.

  5. Angra

    Piers tries to turn good, but his sense of smell gets the better of him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f71VqFgwPy4

  6. Angra

    returned man – Sounds like Piers talking to David Marr.

    Colonel: We’ve had reports that there’s a spy in the Ministry of Defense. The contents of this room are VITAL to the country. Be on special alert.

    Fat Bastard: Yes Sir.

    Colonel: And, uh, try to lose some weight, for God’s sake.

    Fat Bastard: Yes Sir.

    [Under his breath]
    Fat Bastard: Mister English Colonel tellin’ me to lose weight. “Oh, I’m a hard case” he says.

    [louder]
    Fat Bastard: Well, listen up, sonny Jim: I ate a baby. Oh, aye, Baby: the other, other white meat. Baby: it’s what’s for dinner.

    Fat Bastard: I’m Dead Sexy. You Are Crap

  7. Russ44

    Matthew may have commented as a Canberra resident, I haven’t read all the contributions yet. Our (female, ALP) Chief Minister was talking on the radio a couple of days back, and said that she had been advised by the relevant protocol authorities that a curtsey is no longer compulsory for females. An acceptable alternative is a slight bow, wait for the royal hand to be extended, then shake it. The insistence on the curtsey was dropped some time back, so it would appear that despite Piers being an insider, and his forebears having fought and died in the trenches, and all the rest of it, he is obviously a little behind on his protocol. No wonder Her Maj didn’t want to visit Sydney (not because of their surfeit of queens, but because they don’t know how to behave)!

  8. podrick

    cross posted from the weekend thread.

    The link to the ABC’s online story about our political leaders meeting with the QEII today has a picture showing Abbott meeting the Queen, I am sorry but did I miss an election? The actual story has a video of both leaders meeting HRH and what is interesting is Abbott’s etiquette, it is more like a G’day mate shake of the hand, no curtsy or nodding of the head, where was his forelock tugging. I expect an appropriate peice from Piers and Bolt with commentary from June Dally-Watkins.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-21/queen-tour-friday/3590872

  9. mondo rock

    Personally, I find the fact that the story is an early pages news item further testimony to the vacuous and reactionary character of public discourse in this country.

    For once, Fran, you and I are in 100% agreement.

  10. GaryM

    On a serious note, Yep I can only imagine old Piers/Gerard/Tones and the other well known royal sycophants laying back in bed staring at that 8×6 glossy of Her Majesty on the bed head.Yep indeed, possibly listening to the strains of Sir Edward Elgar’s “Pomp & Circumstance” or maybe that well known speech by Churchill “We’ll fight them on the beaches” etc. Only this time thinking about the ‘boat people’. Yep there they are over come with that feeling of warmness in the loins only that true patriotic fervour can give.. The mind does indeed boggle.

  11. Angra

    Of course I’m not happy! Look at me, I’m a big fat slob. I’ve got bigger titties than you do. I’ve got more chins than a Chinese phonebook. I’ve not seen my willie in two years, which is long enough to declare it legally dead.

    Fat Bastard

  12. GaryM

    “And GaryM remember it’s “mam” as in “ham” not “marm” as in “palm ”

    “mam” will not be amused.

  13. Fran Barlow

    Personally, I find the fact that the story is an early pages news item further testimony to the vacuous and reactionary character of public discourse in this country. The Hun is really saying that most Australians are utterly stupid, though I am willing to grant they may be saying that it’s only their readers that are stupid.

    Personally, I couldn’t care less how Ms Gillard chose to greet Ms Windsor (if that is her real name). I’d have been perfectly happy with her sticking out her mit and saying “Welcome to Oz, Betty”.

    I am troubled though that she has apparently arrived without a visa. Let’s hope nobody tips off Chris Bowen or she’s be off to Villawood along with her equally no account husband of hers. That might be a tad embarrasing — being locked up with others guilty of being unlawful non-citizens.

  14. returnedman

    For some reason I keep thinking about that Scottish character from Austin Powers.

  15. Angra

    surlysimon – “ma’am” can be pronounced both ways (as in ham or harm).

    An “intrusive r,”

    Poms say “marm”

    Sorry. I don’t like it anymore than you.

    http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/12113/what-is-the-correct-pronunciation-of-the-word-maam

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