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Apr 3, 2012

But every time a drug user is thrown in prison, we all win (except for taxpayers, drug users and their families, future victims of real crime etc)

And the media were having

Pure Poison IconAnd the media were having such a slow news day yesterday.

Today you can almost hear them weeping their thanks to Bob Carr:

Yeah, that’s exactly what Carr said.

Here’s a place to capture all the silliest commentary – and most misleading headlines – on the subject.

PS: The drugs have been winning for a while:

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58 thoughts on “But every time a drug user is thrown in prison, we all win (except for taxpayers, drug users and their families, future victims of real crime etc)

  1. Fran Barlow

    ‘War on drugs’ has failed, say Latin American leaders

    Watershed summit will admit that prohibition has failed, and call for more nuanced and liberalised tactics

    Otto Pérez Molina, the president of Guatemala, who as former head of his country’s military intelligence service experienced the power of drug cartels at close hand, is pushing his fellow Latin American leaders to use the summit to endorse a new regional security plan that would see an end to prohibition. In the Observer, Pérez Molina writes: “The prohibition paradigm that inspires mainstream global drug policy today is based on a false premise: that global drug markets can be eradicated.”


    He insists, however, that prohibition has failed and an alternative system must be found. “Our proposal as the Guatemalan government is to abandon any ideological consideration regarding drug policy (whether prohibition or liberalisation) and to foster a global intergovernmental dialogue based on a realistic approach to drug regulation. Drug consumption, production and trafficking should be subject to global regulations, which means that drug consumption and production should be legalised, but within certain limits and conditions.” {my emphasis: FB}


    Last year Juan Manuel Santos, Colombia’s president, told the Observer that if legalising drugs curtailed the power of organised criminal gangs who had thrived during prohibition, “and the world thinks that’s the solution, I will welcome it”. {my emphasis: FB}


    Fernando Henrique Cardoso, former president of Brazil and chairman of the global commission on drug policy, has said it is time for “an open debate on more humane and efficient drug policies”, a view shared by George Shultz, the former US secretary of state, and former president Jimmy Carter.

  2. zoot

    For Matthew of Canberra: here’s the Keele Study (pdf) which shows there is no evidence cannabis use leads to psychosis.
    Investigators at Keele University Medical School compared trends in cannabis use and instances of schizophrenia in the United Kingdom from 1996 to 2005. The research showed that even as marijuana use soared among the general population, “incidence and prevalence of schizophrenia and psychoses were either stable or declining” during this period.

  3. Matthew of Canberra

    “head” = “heard”


  4. Matthew of Canberra

    Actually, I’m upping the ante. Anyone who wants cred as a real, old-skool hard core stoner has to have read (or at least own a copy) of PKD’s Valis trilogy.

    PS. … If anyone’s read it, can you tell me what the hell it’s about? I’ve read the first book, and I haven’t got a clue. And I couldn’t go any further. Damned if I’ve giving it away though (I’ve got a collected copy). I have head (but can not confirm) that it actually does represent Phil’s own personal theology. Which is a bit terrifying, given what I’ve read so far.

  5. Matthew of Canberra

    jules, congratulations.

    You have won this picture (insert picture here) of an orgone accumulator, and a bootleg copy of the KLF’s “white room” (to be downloaded from the pirate web site of your choice).

    Timothy Leary isn’t really dead you know. He just blasted into space so he could REALLY have the US surrounded.

  6. fred p

    It’s obvious to even the most casual observer that a lot of people’s blabbering about legalisation of drugs has as much to do with their desire to pick up worry free bag of pot at the chemist on the way home so they can get stoned every night as it does with any high minded goal to fix societies woes.

    Given alcohol does a lot more harm than cannabis in our society, would it be fair to presume your opposition to the criminalisation of alcohol is solely based on your desire to pick up a worry-free slab at the bottleshop on the way home so you can get drunk every night?

  7. jules

    MoC @ 47, you do know of course that 23 is a significant number in Deal or No Deal.

    Not to mention the number of legendary sports stars who wear the number 23, Warney for example. or Buddy Franklin. Or david beckham, or Andrew Maccleod or Lebron james or perhaps the greatest “sports star” of them all – Micheal Jordan. And in keeping with the law of %s – there’s always Hird Ablett or Buckley, among others.

    I’ve read illuminatus, and shroedingers cat and a few other RAW classics over the years. The man was a genius or Jesus or so I’ve heard.

    Of course Fran posted something recently about the tendency of Alcohol to turn people conservative while everyone knows pot turns people toward the left so obviously its illegality a vast right wing conspiracy. So vast it uses language to control the way people frame their thinking – hence one side of politics is “right” and the other is whats left, coincidently the sinister side… etc etc.

    Reich tho is interesting. If a little paranoid. then again considering what happened to him thats understandable. I posted a link to his book “Listen Little Man” here (I think it was here) a few weeks ago. Which reminds, he (Reich) was also a pompous old fool.

  8. liliwyt

    Jay @49

    *evil grin*

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